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I'm considering getting a UHD/HDR pattern generator and looking at VirtualForge. Is the only BlackMagic 4K supported the DeckLink 4K Extreme, none of the other less expensive 4K models?
VirtualForge can be used with the hardware you mentioned for SDR patch generation, not for HDR10.

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VirtualForge can be used with the hardware you mentioned for SDR patch generation, not for HDR10.
Thanks, Ted. Is that a VirtualForge limitation or the hardware's?

Sorry, edit: is that any HDR or just HDR10, I'm guessing the metadata? I'm kind of not well informed in HDR .

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Thanks, Ted. Is that a VirtualForge limitation or the hardware's?
DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G has HDMI 2.0a, so looks like VirtualForge has to programmed, if its possible a capability to use HDR10 patch generation. (if there BlackMagic API to give that capability basically).

But according to the new SpectraCAL customer supporting plan, you have to ask a question via official ways (email/form), here is not official channel of support (I don't represent SpectraCAL also, but I have replied to some thousand questions of CalMAN users, when I know and I see that I can help), SpectraCAL forum don't exist anymore to see other users with DeckLink feedback, send email to SpectraCAL (and probably if you have paid your annual fee) you will get a reply, then inform this thread also for us to know more details.

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DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G has HDMI 2.0a, so looks like VirtualForge has to programmed, if its possible a capability to use HDR10 patch generation. (if there BlackMagic API to give that capability basically).

But according to the new SpectraCAL customer supporting plan, you have to ask a question via official ways (email/form), here is not official channel of support (I don't represent SpectraCAL also, but I have replied to some thousand questions of CalMAN users, when I know and I see that I can help), SpectraCAL forum don't exist anymore to see other users with DeckLink feedback, send email to SpectraCAL (and probably if you have paid your annual fee) you will get a reply, then inform this thread also for us to know more details.
Thanks, Ted. This will be interesting

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That was quick . SpectraCal support responded that as Ted implied, VideoForge does not support HDR at all, only UHD, the cheapest HDR support being the VideoForge PRO.
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What should i buy to make this happen?
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CalMAN has been on the decline for me since it was bought. And the loss of Joel was huge. Now dropping the forums, which were a major source of information for enthusiast users, especially on updates etc is a terrible thing. I've let my licenses lapse during the past 12 months and will continue to use the software while it works but doubt I'll pay for another update - particularly as I can no longer keep an eye on what is being worked upon and what changes I might want/need. But definitely starting to feel like it's time to look elsewhere. Such a shame, as CalMAN leads the way in objective measurments compared to the voodoo and magic of the obvious choice for replacement...

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I do miss Joel. Here's hoping Melissa and Tyler stay! This thread is going to get totally bloated ...

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For me, with the advent of HDR, CalMAN no longer presents a relatively simple means to an end. Doing calibration on UHD devices has gotten to be quite a pain. Unless and until this area gets fixed, I'll not bother trying to use CalMAN. I'll simply live with what I've got. JVC RS500 and Lumagen Pro will do well until better alternative technology comes that's easier to calibrate and supports more content that I'd actually watch at higher levels of quality (both the shows and the tech).

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CalMAN has been on the decline for me since it was bought. And the loss of Joel was huge. Now dropping the forums, which were a major source of information for enthusiast users, especially on updates etc is a terrible thing. I've let my licenses lapse during the past 12 months and will continue to use the software while it works but doubt I'll pay for another update - particularly as I can no longer keep an eye on what is being worked upon and what changes I might want/need. But definitely starting to feel like it's time to look elsewhere. Such a shame, as CalMAN leads the way in objective measurments compared to the voodoo and magic of the obvious choice for replacement...


We will be launching a new beta testing program very soon, as that was the most active part of the forums.
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It would have been better if more advanced notice of the closing had been provided. Better still, closing the forums while making the archival material still accessible would have been appreciated.

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That’s cool. Anything new in the engine Mr. T?

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Indeed hence the winking smiley.
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Is the C6 colorimeter worth the investment over the basic X-Rite i1 Display2 ? It appears that Spectracal tests/certifies the meters and may reject some low performers. Are there other benefits ? I have an i1 Pro that I can use to profile the colorimeter and I'm thinking the certified C6 would not offer an advantage over a profiled i1 D2.
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Is the C6 colorimeter worth the investment over the basic X-Rite i1 Display2 ? It appears that Spectracal tests/certifies the meters and may reject some low performers. Are there other benefits ? I have an i1 Pro that I can use to profile the colorimeter and I'm thinking the certified C6 would not offer an advantage over a profiled i1 D2.
If you already have a spectrophotometer to profile the meter, I can’t see any advantage to purchasing the more expensive C6 HDR200.
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Is the C6 colorimeter worth the investment over the basic X-Rite i1 Display2 ? It appears that Spectracal tests/certifies the meters and may reject some low performers. Are there other benefits ? I have an i1 Pro that I can use to profile the colorimeter and I'm thinking the certified C6 would not offer an advantage over a profiled i1 D2.
One criteria will be the Nit levels you're going to be testing in HDR Mode. i1 D2 only guaranteed up to 1000 Nits,

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Thanks guys for the feedback on the C6. I think I will make due with the i1 D2 for now. The bigger obstacle for me is a TPG for HDR. I have the DVDO AVlab TPG but not sure I want to spend over $1k for an HDR capable TPG. It almost makes more sense to return my LG C8 and wait for the new C9's to hit the shelves.
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Thanks guys for the feedback on the C6. I think I will make due with the i1 D2 for now. The bigger obstacle for me is a TPG for HDR. I have the DVDO AVlab TPG but not sure I want to spend over $1k for an HDR capable TPG. It almost makes more sense to return my LG C8 and wait for the new C9's to hit the shelves.
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Is it possible with x-riet i1 pro to calibrate HDR on tv?
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You need an HDR pattern generator, not cheap. Not sure if you can use BD player & disc.

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You need an HDR pattern generator, not cheap. Not sure if you can use BD player & disc.
I had hdr10 patter from dvs bye, and they Tell me with Ultra had Panasonic Player ist is possible. Question is can the Meter manage HDR
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I see no problem with current consumer OLED, as long as you use it to profile a colorimeter.

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I see no problem with current consumer OLED, as long as you use it to profile a colorimeter.
What about quer werde the brightnes. Is much higher?
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I had hdr10 patter from dvs bye, and they Tell me with Ultra had Panasonic Player ist is possible. Question is can the Meter manage HDR
That should be feasible, but I think it would have to be a completely manual calibration... no AutoCal and I am not sure a LUT would be possible. I think it could also be run with HDR10 patterns on a USB drive. Others with HDR calibration experience would know better.
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Do you mean I1 Pro, I1 Pro 2, or I1 Display Pro? The I1 Pro spectrophotometer is very limited, 300 nits if I remember correctly. The Pro 2 spectro is good to 1200 or 1300 nits, while the Display Pro is a colorimeter good to 1000 (Retail) or 2000 nits (OEM).
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Do you mean I1 Pro, I1 Pro 2, or I1 Display Pro? The I1 Pro spectrophotometer is very limited, 300 nits if I remember correctly. The Pro 2 spectro is good to 1200 or 1300 nits, while the Display Pro is a colorimeter good to 1000 (Retail) or 2000 nits (OEM).
1000 is not enough.

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