Forum Jump: 
 658Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1801 of 1830 Old 12-20-2018, 08:48 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ConnecTEDDD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 7,400
Mentioned: 154 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2700 Post(s)
Liked: 3275
About PGenerator/Device Control, there some guides available:

PGenerator Info: http://www.lightillusion.com/pgenerator.html

PGenerator User Guide: http://www.lightillusion.com/pgenerator_manual.html

Device Control: http://www.lightillusion.com/devicecontrol.html

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
Meters: JETI Specbos 1211, Klein K-10A, i1PRO2, i1PRO, SpectraCAL C6, i1D3, C5
ConnecTEDDD is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #1802 of 1830 Old 01-03-2019, 05:35 AM
Senior Member
 
T( )( )L's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 197 Post(s)
Liked: 108
Hi all,im new to this creating luts so i need some advice/tips in case i miss something out,been reading through this tread and all of the lightspace instructions + more after googling i still feel i need some backup regarding my settings so i dont waste time and risk of screen burn in constantly trying out new luts

So here is my procedure for the 77C8 creating a lut,feel free to enlight me if i do something wrong

TV: ABSL to off,energy saving to off,panel screen shift/logo to off,colorspace wide,contrast 85,brightness 50,oled light 34 for 120 nits,gamma 2.2 or2.4 (depending on lut goal),colortemp warm 2,all gimmicks off.

Murideo: 1080P(23.98),8-bit,RGB limit,patches set to small.

Klein K-10A: 77C8 profiled with i1pro2 and stored inside klein meter.

Lightspace: 10p pre-roll cube 1sec,17/21grid fin_seq csv file (chosing one of those greys out anisometric tick and seq is ticked?), driftcomp 30 default grey patch,extra time delay 0.5,stabilization black frame 0.750,the rest is default.

And all equipment well warmed up and stable roomtemp.
sillysally likes this.

Calman Enthusiast,Lightspace HTP,Klein K-10A,I1pro2,Murideo 6G.

Last edited by T( )( )L; 01-03-2019 at 11:30 AM.
T( )( )L is offline  
post #1803 of 1830 Old 01-03-2019, 05:47 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ConnecTEDDD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 7,400
Mentioned: 154 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2700 Post(s)
Liked: 3275
Quote:
Originally Posted by T( )( )L View Post
Hi all,im new to this creating luts so i need some advice/tips in case i miss something out,been reading through this tread and a all of the lightspace instructions + more after googling i still feel i need some backup regarding my settings so i dont waste time and risk of screen burn in constantly trying out new luts

So here is my procedure for the 77C8 creating a lut,feel free to enlight me if i do something wrong

TV: ABSL to off,energy saving to off,panel screen shift/logo to off,colorspace wide,contrast 85,brightness 50,oled light 34 for 120 nits,gamma 2.2 or2.4 (depending on lut goal),colortemp warm 2,all gimmicks off.

Murideo: 1080P(23.98),8-bit,RGB limit,patches set to small.

Klein K-10A: 77C8 profiled with i1pro2 and stored inside klein meter.

Lightspace. 10p pre-roll cube 1sec,17/21grid fin_seq csv file (chosing one of those greys out anisometric tick and seq is ticked?), driftcomp 30 default grey patch,extra time delay 0.5,stabilization black frame 0.750,the rest is default.

And all equipment well warmed up and stable roomtemp.
Hi, all looking good, because Klein is the fastest colorimeter exist for calibration, increase the drift comp to 100, since 30 will be too short. (no need to use Intelligent Integrator or low light average with Klein)

Use 10% Window patches.



For stabilization frame you can use 10% Gray also (instead of Black), to add that custom color, click at custom then tick the first custom color white box and enter 28.28.28, then click to add to custom colors and then select it and press OK.

(The picture show some recommended settings for i1Display PRO users, using AIO mode)
T( )( )L likes this.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
Meters: JETI Specbos 1211, Klein K-10A, i1PRO2, i1PRO, SpectraCAL C6, i1D3, C5
ConnecTEDDD is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #1804 of 1830 Old 01-03-2019, 06:16 AM
Senior Member
 
T( )( )L's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 197 Post(s)
Liked: 108
Thanks Ted,will try the 10% "bfi" next time (tonight), cant really find where to chose 10% window or do i just have to tick the small % window in color patches?

Calman Enthusiast,Lightspace HTP,Klein K-10A,I1pro2,Murideo 6G.
T( )( )L is offline  
post #1805 of 1830 Old 01-03-2019, 06:50 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ConnecTEDDD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 7,400
Mentioned: 154 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2700 Post(s)
Liked: 3275
Quote:
Originally Posted by T( )( )L View Post
cant really find where to chose 10% window or do i just have to tick the small % window in color patches?
Custom Size: http://www.lightillusion.com/murideo_manual.html

T( )( )L likes this.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
Meters: JETI Specbos 1211, Klein K-10A, i1PRO2, i1PRO, SpectraCAL C6, i1D3, C5
ConnecTEDDD is offline  
post #1806 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 07:24 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 424
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 242 Post(s)
Liked: 263
LightSpace CMS 9.0.0.2861 (3 December 2018) has been released.

Incremental changes:

-- Fixed error in original BT2390 specification
-- Added R'G'B, ICtCp, Y'C'bC'r, or YRGB colour processing to Tone Mapping
-- Re-worked the ST2094 PQ HDR Roll-Off and Tone Mapping options (Any previous user defined ST2084 colour spaces will no longer be compatible)
-- Re-enabled negative values for point editing
-- Changed DCI-XYZ to include correct scaling (Original non-scaled colour space changed to ‘XYZ’.)

Audio/Video Chain: Pioneer PDP-LX5090H, Pioneer VSX-921, Panasonic DMP-BDT260EG, Wharfedale Diamond 10.4 | External LUT box: Entertainment Experience eeColor
Calibration softwares: Light Illusion Lightspace CMS HTP, Portrait Displays/Spectracal CalMAN Home Enthusiast 2018, HCFR, DisplayCAL/ArgyllCMS
Probes: x-rite i1 Pro 2, basICColor DISCUS | Test Pattern Generator: DVDO AVLab TPG

Last edited by Anger.miki; 01-16-2019 at 09:01 AM.
Anger.miki is offline  
post #1807 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 01:27 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ConnecTEDDD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 7,400
Mentioned: 154 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2700 Post(s)
Liked: 3275
LightSpace CMS 9.0.0.2866 (16 January 2018) Beta is available.

Release Notes

Added LUT export for DeviceControl LG integration.

Altered LG 3D LUT export format for Calman use. (no need manual edits anymore)

Changed i1Display PRO OLED EDR to newer version. (This is for RGB OLED - not WRGB OLED - as X-Rite have not generated a WRGB OLED EDR yet)

Adjusted ICtCp reported values to use Dolby’s newly specified multiplier for dEITP. (The graphs use relative dE2000 scaling to enable comparative viewing)

Updated Eizo Eizo SDK integration.

As is usual, for that beta download link, please contact me here only: http://www.displaycalibrations.com/contact_us.html

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
Meters: JETI Specbos 1211, Klein K-10A, i1PRO2, i1PRO, SpectraCAL C6, i1D3, C5
ConnecTEDDD is offline  
post #1808 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 01:35 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
WiFi-Spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,327
Mentioned: 167 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1043 Post(s)
Liked: 1659
Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post
LightSpace CMS 9.0.0.2866 (16 January 2018) Beta is available.

Release Notes

Added LUT export for DeviceControl LG integration.

Altered LG 3D LUT export format for Calman use. (no need manual edits anymore)

Changed i1Display PRO OLED EDR to newer version. (This is for RGB OLED - not WRGB OLED - as X-Rite have not generated a WRGB OLED EDR yet)

Adjusted ICtCp reported values to use Dolby’s newly specified multiplier for dEITP. (The graphs use relative dE2000 scaling to enable comparative viewing)

Updated Eizo Eizo SDK integration.

As is usual, for that beta download link, please contact me here only: http://www.displaycalibrations.com/contact_us.html


Nice to see you guys reverse engineered CalMAN with DeviceControl. I’m sure LG will love that.

Tyler Pruitt - Technical Evangelist - for CalMAN

10 Bit Gradient Test Patterns (HEVC) - Free Download
WiFi-Spy is online now  
post #1809 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 02:39 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 424
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 242 Post(s)
Liked: 263
This sounds interesting, what do you mean?

Audio/Video Chain: Pioneer PDP-LX5090H, Pioneer VSX-921, Panasonic DMP-BDT260EG, Wharfedale Diamond 10.4 | External LUT box: Entertainment Experience eeColor
Calibration softwares: Light Illusion Lightspace CMS HTP, Portrait Displays/Spectracal CalMAN Home Enthusiast 2018, HCFR, DisplayCAL/ArgyllCMS
Probes: x-rite i1 Pro 2, basICColor DISCUS | Test Pattern Generator: DVDO AVLab TPG
Anger.miki is offline  
post #1810 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 02:55 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Norwich, UK
Posts: 1,870
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1522 Post(s)
Liked: 676
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post
Nice to see you guys reverse engineered CalMAN with DeviceControl. I’m sure LG will love that.
To be quite frank that is like saying a person who happens to be in a room with two people speaking a foreign language is reverse engineering and "guilty" of something if they learn that language.

If an interface is meant to be private and you'd like it protecting in law there are technical steps you should take in the implementation which would garner the protection of "lovely" laws like the DMCA. As you well know the LG interfaces are presented open and in plain text over an unencrypted network connection. At that point anything is fair game.

In any case, I'm sure this post won't hang around for long in spite of there being nothing of note here; this is just "how it is".
Iron Mike and ConnecTEDDD like this.
bobof is offline  
post #1811 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 03:13 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 5,452
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3745 Post(s)
Liked: 1168
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobof View Post
To be quite frank that is like saying a person who happens to be in a room with two people speaking a foreign language is reverse engineering and "guilty" of something if they learn that language.
In this case the person didn’t “happen to be in the room”, a closer analogy would be eavesdropping on the conversation.
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #1812 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 03:29 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ConnecTEDDD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 7,400
Mentioned: 154 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2700 Post(s)
Liked: 3275
Adding 'Device Integration' through assessment of an open protocol is normal, and nothing like eavesdropping.

Especially when most of the required info is available for some years already:

http://www.npmjs.com/package/lgtv

and

http://github.com/ecs87/Simple-LG-T...HTML-interface

The rest is simple 'trial & error'.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
Meters: JETI Specbos 1211, Klein K-10A, i1PRO2, i1PRO, SpectraCAL C6, i1D3, C5
ConnecTEDDD is offline  
post #1813 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 03:45 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Norwich, UK
Posts: 1,870
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1522 Post(s)
Liked: 676
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic Chan View Post
In this case the person didn’t “happen to be in the room”, a closer analogy would be eavesdropping on the conversation.
I don't get the distinction you're trying to make, it is at best tenuous I feel. At the point that data is going over a network through a switch it's just bits you choose to listen to or not; nothing has changed in the room. There is no expectation of privacy, which is why tried and tested technical methods for ensuring privacy exist. If you don't want your postcard to be read by the post man, at least put it in an envelope.

The very tech that LG are using for implementing their interface has secure privacy options which are not being used in this implementation. You'd have to assume they really didn't care who might learn their language...

For what it is worth, LGs core TV control API is all over the web and has been for many years.
There are lots of open source control programs that pre-date the Calman LG integration.
ConnecTEDDD and davem1556 like this.
bobof is offline  
post #1814 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 03:55 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada
Posts: 5,452
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3745 Post(s)
Liked: 1168
Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post
Adding 'Device Integration' through assessment of an open protocol is normal, and nothing like eavesdropping.
In that case someone should simply challenge Tyler’s statement “reverse engineered CalMAN with DeviceControl. I’m sure LG will love that.”, and not come up with analogies like “a person who happens to be in a room with two people speaking a foreign language” which re-enforces the impression that the information was extracted from CalMAN speaking DeviceControl with LG.
Dominic Chan is online now  
post #1815 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 03:59 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
WiFi-Spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,327
Mentioned: 167 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1043 Post(s)
Liked: 1659
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobof View Post
I don't get the distinction you're trying to make, it is at best tenuous I feel. At the point that data is going over a network through a switch it's just bits you choose to listen to or not; nothing has changed in the room. There is no expectation of privacy, which is why tried and tested technical methods for ensuring privacy exist. If you don't want your postcard to be read by the post man, at least put it in an envelope.



The very tech that LG are using for implementing their interface has secure privacy options which are not being used in this implementation. You'd have to assume they really didn't care who might learn their language...



For what it is worth, LGs core TV control API is all over the web and has been for many years.

There are lots of open source control programs that pre-date the Calman LG integration.


Yes, but not using any of the commands CalMAN is using.

Tyler Pruitt - Technical Evangelist - for CalMAN

10 Bit Gradient Test Patterns (HEVC) - Free Download
WiFi-Spy is online now  
post #1816 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 05:42 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
gwgill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,028
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post
Nice to see you guys reverse engineered CalMAN with DeviceControl. I’m sure LG will love that.
Reverse engineering is perfectly legal, and in fact (in most countries) encouraged in law. That's because inter-operability is pro-consumer/pro-competition - it gives people choice and prevents lock in. Legal means of protection are available to manufacturers to prevent unfair competition (Copyright, Patents and Secrecy), but making inter-operable products is typically encouraged as it is very good for markets and consumers. Note that in many jurisdictions there are statuary exceptions to contract agreements that attempt to prevent reverse engineering, if it is for the purposes of inter-operability.

So in this sort of situation I think LG is the bad guy - they should publish their protocols to allow consumers choice. Reverse engineering is the only option when manufacturers are being nasty to their customers.

(And if I am the owner of a LG product, I'm entitled to use it in any manner I see fit - that's what ownership means. So that includes pulling it apart, figuring out how it works, making it work with other things I own. If I'm not allowed to do that, I don't really own it.)

Author of ArgyllCMS and ArgyllPRO ColorMeter

Last edited by gwgill; 01-16-2019 at 05:47 PM.
gwgill is offline  
post #1817 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 08:08 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
sillysally's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 5,110
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1142 Post(s)
Liked: 1034
Quote:
Originally Posted by T( )( )L View Post
Hi all,im new to this creating luts so i need some advice/tips in case i miss something out,been reading through this tread and all of the lightspace instructions + more after googling i still feel i need some backup regarding my settings so i dont waste time and risk of screen burn in constantly trying out new luts

So here is my procedure for the 77C8 creating a lut,feel free to enlight me if i do something wrong

TV: ABSL to off,energy saving to off,panel screen shift/logo to off,colorspace wide,contrast 85,brightness 50,oled light 34 for 120 nits,gamma 2.2 or2.4 (depending on lut goal),colortemp warm 2,all gimmicks off.

Murideo: 1080P(23.98),8-bit,RGB limit,patches set to small.

Klein K-10A: 77C8 profiled with i1pro2 and stored inside klein meter.

Lightspace: 10p pre-roll cube 1sec,17/21grid fin_seq csv file (chosing one of those greys out anisometric tick and seq is ticked?), driftcomp 30 default grey patch,extra time delay 0.5,stabilization black frame 0.750,the rest is default.

And all equipment well warmed up and stable roomtemp.
You will have the best looking display in town with your tools and of course your 77C8.

I don't use black frame because I turn off ASBL and keep the room between 69 and 72. 72 degrees is want the room temp is for viewing.
I just use anisometric slider, I think Steve made that patch set for TV's that drift. I made a patch set using Mikes tools and also using Displaycal's custom patch maker and LS cvs to import, I liked Steve's patch set the best. Drift comp to 100
None of this probably will make no difference with the outcome, but just save a little time.
btw I set delay for the k10 at 0.750 or 1 sec.
T( )( )L and ConnecTEDDD like this.

"Don't worry be happy"
LG77C8, Klein K10-A, Jeti 1211, CMS Lightspace, Calman home plus licence for K10-A, Murideo 6G.

Last edited by sillysally; 01-16-2019 at 08:45 PM.
sillysally is offline  
post #1818 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 10:08 PM
Member
 
gr8sound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 72
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by T( )( )L View Post
Murideo: 1080P(23.98),8-bit,RGB limit,patches set to small.
Is 8-bit RGB the best setting for accuracy? I've read elsewhere in this forum the YCbCr color space produces better accuracy due to simulating the video component input signal?
gr8sound is offline  
post #1819 of 1830 Old 01-16-2019, 10:23 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 424
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 242 Post(s)
Liked: 263
If you own a bit accurate YCbCr TPG then yes. If it’s also accurate at 10 or 12 bit even better.
ConnecTEDDD likes this.

Audio/Video Chain: Pioneer PDP-LX5090H, Pioneer VSX-921, Panasonic DMP-BDT260EG, Wharfedale Diamond 10.4 | External LUT box: Entertainment Experience eeColor
Calibration softwares: Light Illusion Lightspace CMS HTP, Portrait Displays/Spectracal CalMAN Home Enthusiast 2018, HCFR, DisplayCAL/ArgyllCMS
Probes: x-rite i1 Pro 2, basICColor DISCUS | Test Pattern Generator: DVDO AVLab TPG
Anger.miki is offline  
post #1820 of 1830 Old 01-17-2019, 12:33 AM
Senior Member
 
T( )( )L's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 197 Post(s)
Liked: 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8sound View Post
Is 8-bit RGB the best setting for accuracy? I've read elsewhere in this forum the YCbCr color space produces better accuracy due to simulating the video component input signal?

We are waiting (still) for a firmware update from murideo so we can use YCbCr,its not bit perfect as of today
ConnecTEDDD likes this.

Calman Enthusiast,Lightspace HTP,Klein K-10A,I1pro2,Murideo 6G.
T( )( )L is offline  
post #1821 of 1830 Old 01-17-2019, 02:36 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ConnecTEDDD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 7,400
Mentioned: 154 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2700 Post(s)
Liked: 3275
Basically LG has never mentioned to any official press release, any web-site, any printed catalog, any general PDF product catalog, any manual of the TV (PDF on-line manual or manual inside the TV) any of these LUT capabilities, you know why? ....because locked features which work only with specific software is something against to some couple or more EU laws, as another user has posted here.

This called 'unfair competition'.

Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Free Version for Free Calibration Software: LightSpace DPS / CalMAN ColorChecker / HCFR
S/W: LightSpace CMS, SpaceMan ICC, SpaceMatch DCM, CalMAN 5, CalMAN RGB, ChromaPure, ControlCAL
V/P: eeColor 3D LUT Box - P/G: DVDO AVLab TPG
Meters: JETI Specbos 1211, Klein K-10A, i1PRO2, i1PRO, SpectraCAL C6, i1D3, C5
ConnecTEDDD is offline  
post #1822 of 1830 Old 01-17-2019, 02:58 AM
Senior Member
 
vollans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Australia
Posts: 274
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 148 Post(s)
Liked: 91
To be fair, they don’t even really document any features that you’re meant to use either, so I reckon it’s all fair game.

New Home Cinema: Sony VPL-VW760, Anthem MRX 1120, Q Acoustics 30x0 series speakers fronts, SVS Prime Elevation surround speakers, Proficient C791 Atmos, SVS PB2000 sub, Panasonic DMP-UB820, Apple TV, Pioneer CLD-D5V laserdisc, FetchTV, eeColor 3D LUT & Radiance XD-3D and ScreenTechnics CinemaSnap Hi Contrast 130" screen
vollans is online now  
post #1823 of 1830 Old 01-17-2019, 03:50 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Norwich, UK
Posts: 1,870
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1522 Post(s)
Liked: 676
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post
Yes, but not using any of the commands CalMAN is using.
I'm really not sure what you are griping about here. If you invested time and effort getting LG to add the functionality and helping them debug their interface and backend implementation (I think some of your previous posts imply this) that is between you and LG. You should take it up with them, sounds like your dealings didn't guarantee payback for your efforts. You shouldn't be moaning in public that folk are trying to use functionality embedded in their TVs that they paid their hard earned money for. Perhaps an alternative model would be for you to create a nice 3D LUT upload tool and license it to LG for them to use as a sales enabler.

The interface itself I understand to be risibly simple, pretty much consisting of saying words to the effect of "send the 3D LUT please" and a stream of the 3DLUT values, really quickly without taking a breath. We're not talking about the pinnacles of scientific discovery here.

I've stated my own position on LG 3D LUT in public in the various threads (some of which were deleted) a couple of times now. Not much has changed; I still don't own an OLED, and in the case of LG the only reason I'd buy their sets over anyone else's would be the open availability of 3DLUT upload as I don't want to have to buy another LUT box, and IMHO there are people making better TVs than LG. However, while LG 3DLUT upload is only available through software I don't want or need I'm not interested. Looks like LG are closer to selling me a TV than they ever have been. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Seems to me like your options are to either revisit your commercial terms with LG, get LG to go for a real "screw you" to their customers and get them make the interface encrypted or signed (note that I think even the evil DMCA has exemptions for circumvention for the purpose of inter-operability), or suck it up.

In any case, though an interesting insight into your thought process I doubt this discussion belongs in the Lightspace user thread.
ConnecTEDDD and gwgill like this.
bobof is offline  
post #1824 of 1830 Old 01-17-2019, 04:31 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 424
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 242 Post(s)
Liked: 263
Well, I do understand Tyler's reaction, not the reason he put as base of it as (AFAIK) no CM proprietary code has been copied or replicated, but I sincerely understand his reaction.

I use DeviceControl to control RPI TPG and I know that app quite well, but I never found something related to LG TV or LUT upload functionalities. So what we are really talking about? "Added LUT export for DeviceControl LG integration" is something Light Illusion added to its software in a closed beta program which is, by definition, not public. AFAIK DeviceControl isn't a calibration software and its creator is not in any way linked or affiliated to (or even indirectly paid by) Light Illusion or Portrait Displays (they should definitely hire him, though).

But, if a DeviceControl version with LUT upload capabilities had really been released, LG (and free calibration software users) would really love it: no obligation to purchase paid software + better results = more sales in the enthusiast/DIYer market at zero cost, no backfire and no convenient/prolific legal action could be taken by its partners against the company itself or against DeviceControl creator because, again, CM source code would not be used but simply the internal TV controls/commands, at most the user of DC could invalidate the warranty of his TV if explicitly advised by the producer. Probably LG would win all the shootouts!

That would really be a warm welcome to the free competition market where the best win, not the exclusivist or the exclusionist.
ConnecTEDDD likes this.

Audio/Video Chain: Pioneer PDP-LX5090H, Pioneer VSX-921, Panasonic DMP-BDT260EG, Wharfedale Diamond 10.4 | External LUT box: Entertainment Experience eeColor
Calibration softwares: Light Illusion Lightspace CMS HTP, Portrait Displays/Spectracal CalMAN Home Enthusiast 2018, HCFR, DisplayCAL/ArgyllCMS
Probes: x-rite i1 Pro 2, basICColor DISCUS | Test Pattern Generator: DVDO AVLab TPG
Anger.miki is offline  
post #1825 of 1830 Old 01-17-2019, 05:04 PM
Member
 
gr8sound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 72
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by T( )( )L View Post
Murideo: 1080P(23.98),8-bit,RGB limit,patches set to small.

Klein K-10A: 77C8 profiled with i1pro2 and stored inside klein meter.
Hi, I'm interested in following your process as I'm new to Lightspace (HTP license). Did you use LS software to store the display/meter profile in the Klein while using the Murideo as the PG? As far as I know, the Klein software does not recognize either the iPro 2 or the Murideo?
gr8sound is offline  
post #1826 of 1830 Old 01-17-2019, 11:09 PM
Senior Member
 
T( )( )L's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 197 Post(s)
Liked: 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8sound View Post
Hi, I'm interested in following your process as I'm new to Lightspace (HTP license). Did you use LS software to store the display/meter profile in the Klein while using the Murideo as the PG? As far as I know, the Klein software does not recognize either the iPro 2 or the Murideo?

I used Ted’s profiling workflow page in calman and chromasurf,see/read in link.


Link: http://01900888.com/forum/139-d...ng-thread.html

Calman Enthusiast,Lightspace HTP,Klein K-10A,I1pro2,Murideo 6G.
T( )( )L is offline  
post #1827 of 1830 Old 01-18-2019, 03:37 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Light Illusion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,547
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 584 Post(s)
Liked: 956
Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8sound View Post
Hi, I'm interested in following your process as I'm new to Lightspace (HTP license). Did you use LS software to store the display/meter profile in the Klein while using the Murideo as the PG? As far as I know, the Klein software does not recognize either the iPro 2 or the Murideo?
You can use the LightSpace probe matching process to match the K10-A to any Spectro.
(Any Tristimulus to any Spectro.)

See: http://www.lightillusion.com/probe_use.html

The Murideo is then controlled by LightSpace during the probe matching process.

Steve

Steve Shaw
LIGHT ILLUSION

Light Illusion is offline  
post #1828 of 1830 Old 01-19-2019, 07:37 PM
Member
 
gr8sound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 72
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light Illusion View Post
You can use the LightSpace probe matching process to match the K10-A to any Spectro.
(Any Tristimulus to any Spectro.)

See: http://www.lightillusion.com/probe_use.html

The Murideo is then controlled by LightSpace during the probe matching process.

Steve
Thanks. Will Chromasurf upload to the Klein the resultant meter profile created in LS? I'm using LS to create a 3D LUT for the eecolor box. The Klien will be profiled using LS, iPro 2 and a six-g (that's the plan going in anyway). Thanks.
gr8sound is offline  
post #1829 of 1830 Old Yesterday, 02:04 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Light Illusion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,547
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 584 Post(s)
Liked: 956
No, probe matching performed within LightSpace is held just within LightSpace, as the user guides show.
To generate an offset within the K10-A you would need to use Chromasurf.
But, using LightSpace for the probe matching works perfectly.

Steve
Rolls-Royce likes this.

Steve Shaw
LIGHT ILLUSION

Light Illusion is offline  
post #1830 of 1830 Old Today, 10:10 AM
Senior Member
 
1forsnow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 46 Post(s)
Liked: 59
In LS, can you plot measured points using the 3D cube viewer? For instance if I measure 1000 points, how do I populate(if possible) these measured points on the 3D cube viewer. I do not want to generate a LUT using these measured points, i just want to see a 3D cube view of the points i measured. If possible, how do you do it? Thanks
1forsnow is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Display Calibration



Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off