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I intend this thread to be an ongoing [re]source of content that has been created by [semi]professional videographers - at least in terms of affiliation with big studios - who use consumer or prosumer equipment for creating actual watchable content.

Today I am giving you "Sriracha" - a short doco about the well-known hot sauce. You can watch the original movie on Vimeo for $3, or you can watch the same imagery overlaid with the author's comments on YouTube:


Shot with the GH3, so it is not 4K, uh, uh. Nevertheless, it looks great. I suppose audio was recorded onto a dedicated recorder, I haven't researched that. Budget was... $25K I believe. Could be done for less if they did not fly to Thailand and did not drop $2.5K on 30 seconds of AP footage.
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Audio recorder was a Zoom H1n and the shotgun is a discontinued model.
Lens used the most is the 12-35. Another mic for voice over.

On Indy Mogul, which he hosted, you can follow the progress of the film from idea to Kickstarter, to shooting, edit and publish.
I was a regular viewer of that show during that time.
Pretty sad youtube canceled it, luckily there are others.
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A really good documentary made with cheap gear is "Indie Game - The Movie".
Very cool and I highly recommend it.

On their website they have a gear list (5dmkii if I remember correctly).
It used to be on Netflix, don't know if it still is.
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Audio recorder was a Zoom H1n and the shotgun is a discontinued model. Lens used the most is the 12-35. Another mic for voice over.
Thanks. Shows how much one can do with just one lens.
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On Indy Mogul, which he hosted, you can follow the progress of the film from idea to Kickstarter, to shooting, edit and publish. I was a regular viewer of that show during that time. Pretty sad youtube canceled it, luckily there are others.
Not sure why you are saying YouTube cancelled it; they sort of ran out of steam themselves or started individual projects.
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Thanks. Shows how much one can do wi..
Sorry my auto correct got it wrong, it was h4n. Still cheap.

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Not sure why you are saying YouTube cancelled it; they sort of ran out of steam themselves or started individual projects.
Sorry but you are very wrong.
Indy Mogul was owned and payed for by youtube.
Russell and Griffin where employees of youtube.
This was talked about on the show several times over the years.

Youtube canceled the show and they where openly and publicly heart broken in many episodes and where very clear with the fact that they wanted to keep going and had lots of cool ideas.

They also ran a telethon to show how appricated they where just before announcing that youtube had canceled their show.

Believe me, I watched every single episode and almost all live shows for years, big fan

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Sorry but you are very wrong. Indy Mogul was owned and payed for by youtube. Russell and Griffin where employees of youtube. This was talked about on the show several times over the years.
Oh, ok. I haven't watched that many episodes of the show. I thought they were at best sponsored by YouTube as partners; I did not know they were employees of YouTube.
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Brave Kitten Stands Up to Dog (43.5 million views)

Shot on...a potato?
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Brave Kitten Stands Up to Dog (43.5 million views) -- Shot on...a potato?
This just shows that people like to watch crap.
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This just shows that people like to watch crap.
Yeah, it's true, YouTube is inundated with crappy videos that people eat up.

Something to consider, though...if that was, instead, shot professionally with quality cameras, cinematic look, close-ups of the animals, etc. - I'm certain it wouldn't generate nearly as many views.

Although it would look better, there would be a sense of it being staged and the viewer being forced to like the cuteness of it, as if it's a dog food commercial.

Although the actual footage is extremely crappy quality, an unspoken element is the viewer being a "fly on the wall", witnessing an actual event. The realness/crapiness of the footage contributes to that.
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At work we sometimes make the decision to use a shaky smartphone or handycam just to give it an extra sense of realism.
Nothing wrong with "crap" quality or content for that matter.
If its what people want to watch, then it's king.
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what a load of snobs,people who are not into cameras prefer to watch films like that,i would compared to some of the indie poo.
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I think this dog video is better than a lot of indie poo I've seen on Vimeo and Youtube. It didn't look like it had been staged and the videography sure didn't look contrived. Unlike those indies which despite the looks and the contrivance, are just pure poo.
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You guys do know that it's scientifically proved that while you are worked up you loose brain cells.
In other words, you sitting around beeing annoyed because some people don't film the exact same thing as yourself is causing you to literally self destruct.

Wonder if it's worth it....
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I often shoot videos of my dog and that's how she ended up in the Colwell Banker Comercial. Easy money as well
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Watching a cat and dog video requires minimal brain activity - it is as lazy an entertainment as watching flowing water or flaming fire.

The masses do not want to work on the content, neither they do not want to watch and think about inconvenient topics like global warming or the imminent nuclear obliteration of the planet - those thousands of missiles have to fall somewhere, and it is just a question of time and bad luck when a wire rusts or someone hacks into their control systems.

Instead people prefer watching fairy tales like Game of Thrones or follow lives of celebrities - celebrities who have ZERO effect on the functioning of the society, celebrities whos only achievement is a big butt or a naked belly carrying an unborn.

This is classic escapism of the late Roman Empire, and we all know how it ended.

I had in mind something else when I started this thread. The idea was that even with modest equipment one can make a video that has meaning and impact. A thousand bucks is enough to have equipment for moviemaking - it will not be the latest and greatest, but it will allow to record moving pictures and sound, edit the clips and distribute the final movie. This is completely different landscape even to the days of VHS, when there were no digital non-linear editing systems.

Here is an example:
Shot on the DVX100B - the latest version of the venerable DVX, which can be picked up for less than $500 on eBay with 200 hours or less - I saw one with 17 hours on the clock for $450. This is a professional camera for one tenth of the original price. Yes, it is not 4K or HD, but it performs its intended function, and editing DV is fast even on a 10 year old computer which one can pick for free from someone who is upgrading. Tapes are $2 apiece in bulk. Plus a mic, some stands and a couple of LED lights - I am not talking about painting with light.
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Documenting The Holocaust, Shot on the DVX100B/A:
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Sony A6000, 1080p. I realize that Ken and Mark will not like the milky-foggy grading, I think it looks nice most of the time.


I started thinking about an A5100 - same sensor size. Yes, no mic input and very few controls, but it has flip-out screen for selfies, similar video quality to the A6000 above, and can be found for less than $300 used on Ebay, or $400 new, body only.
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The style of the grading is generally OK though it may not suit everyone's taste. But it looks a bit inconsistent and the shadows are lifted up too far. The darkness here is magenta, not even grey, making the video look like a movie whose film had been projected too many times out of its life.
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I prefer GH5 Hybrid Log Gamma in 4K. If you are on a limited budget I guess that is what you a stuck with.


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Sony A6000, 1080p. I realize that Ken and Mark will not like the milky-foggy grading, I think it looks nice most of the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFyzZFpLeBk

I started thinking about an A5100 - same sensor size. Yes, no mic input and very few controls, but it has flip-out screen for selfies, similar video quality to the A6000 above, and can be found for less than $300 used on Ebay, or $400 new, body only.
I don't like the milky=foggy look. I can send him some lens cleaning tissue.
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I prefer GH5 Hybrid Log Gamma in 4K. If you are on a limited budget I guess that is what you a stuck with.
Yes, this is a budget camera nowadays. I researched it, like many Sony cameras of the recent years, it is prone to overheating, likewise the A5100.

I agree, the Isobel clip looks better, they managed to preserve grays while keeping enough contrast, this is always a struggle of mine: either contrast and no details, or more grays and milky image.
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Yes, the Isobel clip looks great even on my SDR phone and tablet screens. The differences between the original SDR and HLG HDR footage as converted by YouTube to display on regular SDR screens like mine are easy to see like the comparison clips we saw between the Sony AX100's SDR and Sony AX700's HLG we discussed previously in another thread despite the shots being only highly compressed 8-bit 4:2:0.

My conclusion at this juncture is shooting in HLG is a no brainer if your materials are to be posted on YouTube. No need to understand the intricacies of hardware change and no need to wait for anything on the viewers' side to catch up. The benefits are already there and only get better if the viewers have suitable hardware.
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Some more Sony A5100 videos.

This one is a family vacation, the whole video is shot with the 50mm prime! The music is completely wrong, but the images are nice.


Another video from the same guy, same setup. Joe may like this one ;-)


And finally, another video by the same guy, Christmas-themed (he is very prolific with his A5100):


Mark, imagine how better your video could be with a tripod, or a stabilizer, or a slider. ;-) Right, I think you already got the stabilizer, and not just an old-school one, but an electronically controlled.
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Looking at that 'Isabel' video, you can see how nicely HLG transitioned to SDR. Watching on my iMac, the images are still beautiful. Very nicely done.

I initially thought that HLG might be somewhat of a gimmick, but the more I'm seeing the more I'm liking what I see.

However the huge file sizes are still an issue. It will be interesting to see if FCP is able to handle these files, and do so in a manageable way, once they issue the software update coming soon.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_Tomorrow

"Moore did not expect to get permission from Disney to shoot there given his negative, surrealistic portrayal of the park. Instead he used guerrilla filmmaking techniques, which sometimes call for using locations without getting permission. The film was shot using the video mode of two Canon EOS 5D Mark II and one Canon EOS 1D Mark IV digital single-lens reflex cameras, which helped the filmmakers look more like typical park visitors. Actors and crew used their iPhones to communicate and store information such as the script—that way, they looked like guests casually using their phones. The phones were also used to record sound, in addition to digital recorders taped to each actor's body that were left running all day."

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Sorry Joe, I did not watch this "review". But no matter whether the movie is good or not, the point is they used consumer-grade cameras and smartphones for, well, professional production. And these were not even 4K cameras ;-)
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