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So a family member have a 65KS8000 and everytime I go over there, I'm amazed how vivid her set is compared to my 65JS8500.

What's the major difference with the two?

I'm looking at going to a 75", would an 75MU8000 be better than what we have?
i have a 55 JS8500 in the bedroom and a 65 KS8000 I see what your saying the KS is spectacular compared to the JS the difference first off is on the JS the LED's are on the sides and the KS they are on the top and bottom

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i have a 55 JS8500 in the bedroom and a 65 KS8000 I see what your saying the KS is spectacular compared to the JS the difference first off is on the JS the LED's are on the sides and the KS they are on the top and bottom
There are very little perceivable picture differences between all of these top-notch sets. You can pay 200% more for a TV that might be 2 or 3% better. If you are seeing such a difference between the two sets then more than likely I would attribute that to the actual picture settings themselves as opposed to the differences in the capabilities of the TV's.
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There are very little perceivable picture differences between all of these top-notch sets. You can pay 200% more for a TV that might be 2 or 3% better. If you are seeing such a difference between the two sets then more than likely I would attribute that to the actual picture settings themselves as opposed to the differences in the capabilities of the TV's.
disagree there is a perceivable difference both TVs have great pictures but I'm sorry the KS is better in my eyes, maybe because it's a 65" as Opposed to 55"

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maybe because it's a 65" as Opposed to 55"
Yep, that makes a big difference. Provided that all else is at least in the same ballpark, when it comes to TVs size is everything.
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Yep, that makes a big difference. Provided that all else is at least in the same ballpark, when it comes to TVs size is everything.
both TV's have served me well, the 55" is in the Bedroom and mostly viewed by my wife and i just fall asleep. LOL.

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Ah, if but I only had an extra 14 Grand to spare......................

http://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...n85q900rafxza/

(but no 3d !!!!!)
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There are those that would have you believe 3D is dead, however, new movies are still being released in Blu-ray 3D.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/the-meg...?skuId=6299809

As are the latest generation of home projectors:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...4K-PRO-UHD.htm

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I own both a 65 ks and 65 js..The ks is brighter! Js has better black uniformity and better motion!! Not to mention the black bars on the ks look washed compared to the js..For a bright room the ks will be better! Everything else js beats it..it cost me twice as much so it better be lol
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The ks has the led lights at the bottom only not top..that allows it to have a brighter picture but at the cost of worst local dimming than the js.
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I am using the JS8500 and am finding that UHD Blu Rays are dull/dark/gray. I have tried this from both the Xbox One X and a LG UBK90 UHD Blu Ray player.
I am using the Standard Picture setting, and as suggested in another post, upped the Gamma to 2, but still everything just appears dull/gray.
However, while watching a couple of movies on Starz(via D*Tv) the picture is bright and vibrant... the settings are the same(I think for both the D*Tv and my UHD sources)
What settings can I tweak to try and improve the picture for UHD movies?

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So after 3 years, my JS8000 (Australian Model) has developed light leakage from the sides where the LED's are in the last 3-6mths. Hoping to get store credit from my extended warranty as parts are no longer available. I've attached pictures of when it was calibrated & how good the PQ was & a pic of Deadpool II & the bands of white down the edges. Such a shame as this was a great TV!
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So after 3 years, my JS8000 (Australian Model) has developed light leakage from the sides where the LED's are in the last 3-6mths. Hoping to get store credit from my extended warranty as parts are no longer available. I've attached pictures of when it was calibrated & how good the PQ was & a pic of Deadpool II & the bands of white down the edges. Such a shame as this was a great TV!
Welcome to the club, That's pretty much what I'm experiencing, however on some content I don't have any light bleed at all. I'm still going to try the quarter inch black paper strips along the edges and see if I can live with that. Other than this anomaly, I still think it's a fantastic TV. Since I really enjoy watching 3D I don't see much of a choice.

I'm pretty curious to know if Samsung has actually admitted to and identified this problem, and to what it actually has attributed it to?
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Welcome to the club, That's pretty much what I'm experiencing, however on some content I don't have any light bleed at all. I'm still going to try the quarter inch black paper strips along the edges and see if I can live with that. Other than this anomaly, I still think it's a fantastic TV. Since I really enjoy watching 3D I don't see much of a choice.

I'm pretty curious to know if Samsung has actually admitted to and identified this problem, and to what it actually has attributed it to?
My photo of the issue in question doesn't really show the extent but it is quite bright 1" thick lines of white that run down the edge of the screen from top to bottom on both sides. I also have 3 spots of pinkish dark spots around the middle of the screen.
Had the repair guy come back out last night as the insurance company wanted more pics, he just laughed & said they are wasting everyone's time & just trying to cover their arses!

It is disappointing as this was a fantastic TV & I had a wonderful PQ & Blacks (for an LED/LCD) after a Professional Calibration. Decided to take the plunge into OLED, put a deposit down on a Sony 65" A8F OLED, just waiting on the Insurance to come through for the rest.

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I am using the JS8500 and am finding that UHD Blu Rays are dull/dark/gray. I have tried this from both the Xbox One X and a LG UBK90 UHD Blu Ray player.
I am using the Standard Picture setting, and as suggested in another post, upped the Gamma to 2, but still everything just appears dull/gray.
However, while watching a couple of movies on Starz(via D*Tv) the picture is bright and vibrant... the settings are the same(I think for both the D*Tv and my UHD sources)
What settings can I tweak to try and improve the picture for UHD movies?
I have tried adjusting multiple settings but still the picture is dull and lacking compared to HD content from D*Tv...
Does anyone have any suggestions that I can try?
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Hi, have a 55" js8500. Would like to upgrade to a bigger model 75"+ but don't want to pay an arm and a leg. Has technology in 2018 improved enough that I'll see a good upgrade or similar picture quality as my 2015 js8500?

How does the js8500 stack up against:

1) Samsung mu8000
2) Sony x900f

are these a big step up from 1)+2)

3) Samsung Q9FN
4) Vizio P Series Quantum

Main use is watching movies from my HTPC, 4k from Xbox One and some gaming.
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Hi, have a 55" js8500. Would like to upgrade to a bigger model 75"+ but don't want to pay an arm and a leg. Has technology in 2018 improved enough that I'll see a good upgrade or similar picture quality as my 2015 js8500?

How does the js8500 stack up against:

1) Samsung mu8000
2) Sony x900f

are these a big step up from 1)+2)

3) Samsung Q9FN
4) Vizio P Series Quantum

Main use is watching movies from my HTPC, 4k from Xbox One and some gaming.
2018 there is a discernible difference in quality, especially with the Q9FN. I can't comment on the Vizio as we do not have them here in Australia. I'm about to jump on the OLED train with the Sony A8F or A9F.
If you're thinking about doing it, do it as you'll notice the difference in my opinion.

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My photo of the issue in question doesn't really show the extent but it is quite bright 1" thick lines of white that run down the edge of the screen from top to bottom on both sides. I also have 3 spots of pinkish dark spots around the middle of the screen.
Had the repair guy come back out last night as the insurance company wanted more pics, he just laughed & said they are wasting everyone's time & just trying to cover their arses!

It is disappointing as this was a fantastic TV & I had a wonderful PQ & Blacks (for an LED/LCD) after a Professional Calibration. Decided to take the plunge into OLED, put a deposit down on a Sony 65" A8F OLED, just waiting on the Insurance to come through for the rest.
The next time the repair technician comes to your house, if you wouldn't mind, ask him if he has seen this light breed problem on other Js8500/80000 sets and what is the cause ??


By the way, people are continually talking about the superiority of OLED in terms of Black Level performance, however today I was watching an older movie called Mission to Mars, and the scenes that showed the spaceship against the black background of outer space, outer space was as black as the js8500 screen itself when turned off. I can't really imagine anything being much blacker than that. I think once you get to a TV that's as good as a j s 8500, Black Level performance is primarily dictated by the quality of the input signal itself.

Also, about 2 weeks ago I caught the original Schwarzenegger Predator movie on sale at Best Buy in Blu-ray 3D format, And it was an absolutely amazing experience on the js8500.

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The next time the repair technician comes to your house, if you wouldn't mind, ask him if he has seen this light breed problem on other Js8500/80000 sets and what is the cause ??


By the way, people are continually talking about the superiority of OLED in terms of Black Level performance, however today I was watching an older movie called Mission to Mars, and the scenes that showed the spaceship against the black background of outer space, outer space was as black as the js8500 screen itself when turned off. I can't really imagine anything being much blacker than that. I think once you get to a TV that's as good as a j s 8500, Black Level performance is primarily dictated by the quality of the input signal itself.

Also, about 2 weeks ago I caught the original Schwarzenegger Predator movie on sale at Best Buy in Blu-ray 3D format, And it was an absolutely amazing experience on the js8500.

I'll certainly ask him if he comes back but I think he won't be as it'll be replaced etc.

When my set was Professionally Calibrated my blacks were fantastic but in comparison to OLED, OLED is just dead set Inky Black, like looking into a paint can black. LCD/LED can produce great black levels but nothing like OLED can unfortunately.

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2018 there is a discernible difference in quality, especially with the Q9FN. I can't comment on the Vizio as we do not have them here in Australia. I'm about to jump on the OLED train with the Sony A8F or A9F.
If you're thinking about doing it, do it as you'll notice the difference in my opinion.

Thank you. Would like to hear more thoughts about these two compared to the JS8500.

1) Samsung mu8000
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Thank you. Would like to hear more thoughts about these two compared to the JS8500.

1) Samsung mu8000
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I often wonder about how accurate these guys are, how objective they are, and if their reviews have much real-world relevance, but I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. They seem legit.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/mu8000

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js8500

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By the way, people are continually talking about the superiority of OLED in terms of Black Level performance, however today I was watching an older movie called Mission to Mars, and the scenes that showed the spaceship against the black background of outer space, outer space was as black as the js8500 screen itself when turned off. I can't really imagine anything being much blacker than that. I think once you get to a TV that's as good as a j s 8500, Black Level performance is primarily dictated by the quality of the input signal itself.

Also, about 2 weeks ago I caught the original Schwarzenegger Predator movie on sale at Best Buy in Blu-ray 3D format, And it was an absolutely amazing experience on the js8500.
I agree and you should have wrote that LARGER. I too have that title and I'll add this honest testimonial: The movie is in widescreen. There are black bars. My black bars are as black as when the display is turned off. You can't get any blacker. The display is also calibrated. These blacks are not crushed. When I play that title, and any other where the colorist determined that depth of black, the background of outer space is as black as the black bars. There is no determining where the edge of space in the frame meets the black bars.


OLED owners take pride in comparing $500 LCD's to their much more expensive panels. They don't dare compare THIS JS8500 panel. The uniformity is perfect unlike OLED's. Rtings will back this up. To the guy disagreeing, you have a JS8000, not a JS8500. You are probably an Aussie where the model discussed in this forum wasn't offered afaik. No idea if there's a difference other than the model number being lower than ours but I'm pretty sure your evaluation is different than ours.


Btw, that black of space scene is frame 28:11 and continues into the black door of the spacecraft which is so black, you can't tell where the movie frame ends and the black bars begin. This is true for many movies. As for looking into a black paint can where OLED is concerned... not only does the JS8500 also produce inky blacks, it doesn't crush them and lose detail. I've put up pics in OLED forums to describe the details in blacks that I see and requested they confirm they see them too. They don't. This is because the details are crushed using their overrated "superior" panels when compared to a decent panel like our JS8500's. As I've stated before, these really are very good panels and are still holding ground to newer offerings... with 3D capability too.
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... with 3D capability too.
And the only thing left with 3d is this:
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I agree and you should have wrote that LARGER. I too have that title and I'll add this honest testimonial: The movie is in widescreen. There are black bars. My black bars are as black as when the display is turned off. You can't get any blacker. The display is also calibrated. These blacks are not crushed. When I play that title, and any other where the colorist determined that depth of black, the background of outer space is as black as the black bars. There is no determining where the edge of space in the frame meets the black bars.


OLED owners take pride in comparing $500 LCD's to their much more expensive panels. They don't dare compare THIS JS8500 panel. The uniformity is perfect unlike OLED's. Rtings will back this up. To the guy disagreeing, you have a JS8000, not a JS8500. You are probably an Aussie where the model discussed in this forum wasn't offered afaik. No idea if there's a difference other than the model number being lower than ours but I'm pretty sure your evaluation is different than ours.


Btw, that black of space scene is frame 28:11 and continues into the black door of the spacecraft which is so black, you can't tell where the movie frame ends and the black bars begin. This is true for many movies. As for looking into a black paint can where OLED is concerned... not only does the JS8500 also produce inky blacks, it doesn't crush them and lose detail. I've put up pics in OLED forums to describe the details in blacks that I see and requested they confirm they see them too. They don't. This is because the details are crushed using their overrated "superior" panels when compared to a decent panel like our JS8500's. As I've stated before, these really are very good panels and are still holding ground to newer offerings... with 3D capability too.
Hey bud, my Australian JS8000 is the same TV as the American JS8500, my panel version is TH01 as well. Like I said, my TV after a Professional Calibration was amazing & my blacks were fantastic & I was extremely happy with my purchase & not going to OLED at that point in 2015, but since my TV has started displaying issues, my blacks are no longer like that & my evaluation isn't based on how it is now, if you have followed this thread since 2015 you'd have noticed that I was an early contributor to this thread & my evaluation of this TV was exceptional.

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2018 there is a discernible difference in quality, especially with the Q9FN. I can't comment on the Vizio as we do not have them here in Australia. I'm about to jump on the OLED train with the Sony A8F or A9F.
If you're thinking about doing it, do it as you'll notice the difference in my opinion.
There's some good deals going on the Panny OLEDs at the moment. Have you had a look at those?
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There's some good deals going on the Panny OLEDs at the moment. Have you had a look at those?
I did but decided on the Sony due to overall package of the Sony. The Panasonic was definitely on my radar for second choice.

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Let us know ur honest comparison once u get the sony oled plz!!
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All this high-tech stuff is getting too costly and complicated for me. I saw this baby yesterday at the local thrift store and it has my name written all over it.
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All this high-tech stuff is getting too costly and complicated for me. I saw this baby yesterday at the local thrift store and it has my name written all over it.
Yeah .... I'm beginning to think the same thing!

Maybe I should have kept an earlier vintage 58" version of this State-Of-The-Art jewel that I spent $7K for around 18 years ago: http://www.soundandvision.com/conte...jection-crt-tv

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Yeah .... I'm beginning to think the same thing!

Maybe I should have kept an earlier vintage 58" version of this State-Of-The-Art jewel that I spent $7K for around 18 years ago: http://www.soundandvision.com/conte...jection-crt-tv

Mitsubishi used to be real big on those style TVs also.
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Anyone have any tips or tricks to get ARC (Audio Return Channel) to work? I've been trying for 2 years and it never seems to work?
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