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Tom, I appreciate your knowledgeable insights on the topic of subwoofers, but the reality is Thilo measured it himself.. twice. Plus, he calibrated the mic in between.

Please don't add conjecture to the brew. The thread is already a mess, so let's see if this gets the DB treatment sooner than later, and how that number translates to all this debate, so that the guessing can end. Claiming the number came from a rando in a Chinese factory is inaccurate, it's speculation I feel compelled to dismiss based on first-hand knowledge of the source of the measurements.

Right now we're looking at something between 119 dB and 122 dB peak, based on the communications I've had, which involve Thilo. 119 dB peak is the "safe" spec. Nobody ever said anything about RMS.
Hi Mark, fair enough. But to be honest...the *mess* in this thread is directly the result of you posting (seemingly) ridiculous performance data claims with zero evidence to back any of it up. I mean, Thilo can't take 90 seconds to pop in here and detail the test rig, test method, and show the actual 20hz graph? It's his claim, you're embracing the role of sole communicator in all this "mess"...just ask him to pop in for 2 minutes of his life and this all goes away?

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Hi Mark, fair enough. But to be honest...the *mess* in this thread is directly the result of you posting (seemingly) ridiculous performance data claims with zero evidence to back any of it up. I mean, Thilo can't take 90 seconds to pop in here and detail the test rig, test method, and show the actual 20hz graph? It's his claim, you're embracing the role of sole communicator in all this "mess"...just ask him to pop in for 2 minutes of his life and this all goes away?

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Say what? When I report from a show, it's not my job to go around saying that posted specs are inaccurate, and then postulate what the real specs are. Plenty of others are doing that here, and you are free to do so too. That I even participate in the discussion is pure bonus, and what I get is a bunch of griping as thanks. Well, you all are welcome.

This thread does not exist in a vacuum. I'm sure there's going to be a next chapter. And if the sub measures well, I suppose other ID sub companies might, just maybe... have a new high-powered 15-inch contender to deal with. Who knows.
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The thread is already a mess
What good is a "Home Theater Discussions and Reviews" forum without the discussion?

If you think this thread is "hostile" in any way, you haven't spent enough time in the DIY section
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What good is a "Home Theater Discussions and Reviews" forum without the discussion?

If you think this thread is "hostile" in any way, you haven't spent enough time in the DIY section
Lol, it's actually a great thread because it's all about the actual topic, instead of the usual bickering folks are actually discussing the product, theory, and what's possible versus impossible.

It would not be AVS Forum without the healthy skepticism. It's been a while since a manufactured sub came along that could cause a stir like this.

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Lol, it's actually a great thread because it's all about the actual topic, instead of the usual bickering folks are actually discussing the product, theory, and what's possible versus impossible.

It would not be AVS Forum without the healthy skepticism. It's been a while since a manufactured sub came along that could cause a stir like this.
I wouldn't even call this a "stir". It looks like a quality ported 15" with some high SPL pre-production figures that some are skeptical of. Isn't that kind of normal?
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I wouldn't even call this a "stir". It looks like a quality ported 15" with some high SPL pre-production figures that some are skeptical of. Isn't that kind of normal?
Sure, but I'm just looking at all the CEDIA threads Scott Wilkinson and I posted, and this one has the most comments and the most views. On Facebook, it has the most engagements. Of any CEDIA story. So, from an AVS editorial perspective, it moved the needle.

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Sure, but I'm just looking at all the CEDIA threads Scott Wilkinson and I posted, and this one has the most comments and the most views. On Facebook, it has the most engagements. Of any CEDIA story. So, from an AVS editorial perspective, it moved the needle.
Isn't that good thing?
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Isn't that good thing?
100% a good thing.

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100% a good thing.
Excellent. AVS wants this on-topic discussion to continue. Roger
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My overall feeling on it is like this.

Whether the numbers hit whichever bar we're shooting at, the important thing for me is, they've picked a great driver, arguably better than most in a product you can just hit "add to cart" for, and they've priced it in a place where it's going to be tough to beat for the guys in the "marty cube" segment that can't handle a saw.
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I'm just disappointed with the Monolith pricing. 7ch for $1,500 but 2ch for $1,000? Not good value at all for the 2ch Monolith.
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I'm just disappointed with the Monolith pricing. 7ch for $1,500 but 2ch for $1,000? Not good value at all for the 2ch Monolith.
Seems unbalanced doesnt it
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Yup! By my math, the chassis costs $800, and each channel only costs $100.
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i took the click-bait. :-)
this is a 112db @2m @20hz sub.
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I'm just disappointed with the Monolith pricing. 7ch for $1,500 but 2ch for $1,000? Not good value at all for the 2ch Monolith.


Yeah, I figured this would be the real gripe. Instead, I find everyone would rather debate the hypothetical numbers of a pre-production subwoofer that has no guaranteed future.


I was hoping they would have a reasonable 2 or 3 channel Monolith amplifier. Balanced inputs would have been nice, but there has to be some stuff that makes it cheaper than buying the ones labeled "ATI".


The most I've seen is 20% off coupons, for those willing to wait.
Here's the prices and the prices with 20% off. For $80 more, you get three channels over two. To upgrade to five, takes another $160. Another $160 gets you up to the 7 channel. Therefore, as previously stated, the chassis and base components cost $800, plus $100 per channel, MSRP; but only $640 for the chassis and base components and $80 per channel, 20% off price.


Pricing and pricing w/20% off:
7 Channel: $1,499.00 and $1,199.20, plus shipping
5 Channel: $1,299.90 and $1,039.92, plus shipping
3 Channel: $1,099.90 and $879.92, plus shipping
2 Channel: $999.99 and $799.99, plus shipping


Someone find me a better deal on a three channel amplifier.


For reference, shipping quote was $50.68 for 2-3 Day, to Central Kansas, last month, on the 7-Channel.
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Considering the weight, after shipping to Canada, neither will be of great value proposition.
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Someone find me a better deal on a three channel amplifier.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carver-AV-80...kAAOSwMgdXz0Hj

Bridged to 3 it's somewhere in the 300 range iirc.

Unless you mean only new on the shelf.
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i took the click-bait. :-)
this is a 112db @2m @20hz sub.
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Regardless of the exact numbers it puts out I hope it makes it into production.Part of the fun in this hobby for me is testing out new gear. I have owned around 20 subs in the last few years and always look forward to a new product. I hope it makes it to Databass and Ricci tests it out.It represents a Great price point for a fair share of the market that may not go diy etc. I am sure it will still represent a Great deal given its pricepoint.
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Regardless of the exact numbers it puts out I hope it makes it into production.Part of the fun in this hobby for me is testing out new gear. I have owned around 20 subs in the last few years and always look forward to a new product. I hope it makes it to Databass and Ricci tests it out.It represents a Great price point for a fair share of the market that may not go diy etc. I am sure it will still represent a Great deal given its pricepoint.
And there ya have it, my opinion in a nutshell.
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Yup! By my math, the chassis costs $800, and each channel only costs $100.
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Bridged to 3 it's somewhere in the 300 range iirc.

Unless you mean only new on the shelf.


Yes, I meant new. Sure, ebay has a ton of 20 year old kickass amps, but you really don't know what you're getting.

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Yes, I meant new. Sure, ebay has a ton of 20 year old kickass amps, but you really don't know what you're getting.
That can be true sometimes, but a little diligence checking feedback and stuff..I dunno, I've made a few transactions now, with decent success. The old Carver I snagged probably needs new caps, but she still sings.

An NU4-6000 isn't a terrible idea, either.
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It is idiotic to compare the price of a new amp vs used amp. Hey, I can get a truly old Rolls Royce for the price of a brand new fully loaded Camry!!!
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My overall feeling on it is like this.

Whether the numbers hit whichever bar we're shooting at, the important thing for me is, they've picked a great driver, arguably better than most in a product you can just hit "add to cart" for, and they've priced it in a place where it's going to be tough to beat for the guys in the "marty cube" segment that can't handle a saw.
To each their own I guess. Definitely nice to have options! For my money though I'd definitely be more inclined to support a (North) American made product with untouchable after-sales support like PSA offers.
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It is idiotic to compare the price of a new amp vs used amp. Hey, I can get a truly old Rolls Royce for the price of a brand new fully loaded Camry!!!
Moving parts, Dave, come on. Amplifiers don't have miles on them.
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Not the point. The point is of course old stuff are cheaper than new stuff.

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