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Burn-in risk is not a risk until it bites you. My 65E6 had bad burn-in that started a year into ownership and LG couldn't fix it. Burn-in risk is no longer at the bottom of my list.

And I will not spend any more of my money on an OLED.
More power to you; I've never seen an LCD that I could live with, between grey blacks and flashlighting or spotlighting in end credits.

FWIW, I'm shocked the Hallmark Channel logo isn't burned into mine yet.
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Sounds like more of an issue with your wife and kids than with TV technology.

Indeed. But its a whole lot easier for me to buy a safe TV than it is to train away their laziness.


They have gotten a lot better about it over the years, but still not where I feel comfortable buying a burn-in susceptible technology.

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Burn-in risk is not a risk until it bites you. My 65E6 had bad burn-in that started a year into ownership and LG couldn't fix it. Burn-in risk is no longer at the bottom of my list.

And I will not spend any more of my money on an OLED.

With how much an OLED costs, its just too risky at this juncture.

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Our Best Buy runs them on a loop and they get burned in. This one Sears I sometimes goes through also carries them and they get burned in from the store loops.

I’d imagine if you watched a lot of movies with no logos yould be fine though. I wouldn’t use it as a computer monitor.

I’ve also had bad burn in on all my Samsung AMOLED based phones, worse than the LGs running a loop so I’m guessing LG is further along with the technology.
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fify.
Are you suggesting that LG is doing OLED burn in tests similar as folks at Rtings are doing?
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It may not be that simple, though. Just about any sports programming will have a scorebox fixed on the screen for the entire game, not to mention gaming. With all of these restrictions, unless all you watch are movies, it doesn't make a lot of sense to add more stress to what for many is already a somewhat stressful life.
That's simple, I don't watch sports and don't game.

However as I've mentioned I'm shocked I don't have the Hallmark Channel logo burned in, as that's all my TV has been showing for several hours per day since October 26.
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With how much an OLED costs, its just too risky at this juncture.
Please, OLEDs are dirt cheap now compared to plasma and what OLEDs cost just a few years ago.

More expensive than a cheap LCD set to be sure, but no more expensive than high-end LCDs.
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More power to you; I've never seen an LCD that I could live with, between grey blacks and flashlighting or spotlighting in end credits.

FWIW, I'm shocked the Hallmark Channel logo isn't burned into mine yet.
Thank you for this thread. I'm the proud new owner of a 65A9F. Could someone please tell me: I understand that turning max brightness down on the screen is a good idea to prevent burn in, as well as using cinema mode (vs vivid) . Is it also a good idea to reduce gamma and peak luminance below max? Or does that not really matter since they are more about lighting up the highlights? Thank you.
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Are you suggesting that LG is doing OLED burn in tests similar as folks at Rtings are doing?

I'm saying LG knows about the problem and is turning a blind eye to it publicly. What they're doing behind the scenes to fix it, Idk.
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Any light emissive item degrades over time, this is fact. LCD's don't see the issue because the degradation affects all pixels evenly so you just end up with some reduced overall output as the display ages. You can in fact cause (burn-in?) to an LCD. I have seen displays that play static content and when you change to something else there is a ghost of that image left behind, but this happens over years, I am not sure you would call it burn in, but something happened to those displays that caused it.


Anyway, everyone says OLED are burn-in nightmares, and they aren't, but if you watch CNN all day then find another display. I couldn't care less about news, but I do quite a bit of gaming, my display still looks as good as she did in Nov of 2016. So burn-in really isn't that big of a deal, just don't leave the same image onscreen all day and night and you should be just fine.


Also, for what it's worth, any future display with per pixel light emission will likely suffer from uneven aging when viewing static content. So I would bet on micro led having this same discussion in 10 years or whenever it hits the market.
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Any light emissive item degrades over time, this is fact. LCD's don't see the issue because the degradation affects all pixels evenly so you just end up with some reduced overall output as the display ages. You can in fact cause (burn-in?) to an LCD. I have seen displays that play static content and when you change to something else there is a ghost of that image left behind, but this happens over years, I am not sure you would call it burn in, but something happened to those displays that caused it.


Anyway, everyone says OLED are burn-in nightmares, and they aren't, but if you watch CNN all day then find another display. I couldn't care less about news, but I do quite a bit of gaming, my display still looks as good as she did in Nov of 2016. So burn-in really isn't that big of a deal, just don't leave the same image onscreen all day and night and you should be just fine.


Also, for what it's worth, any future display with per pixel light emission will likely suffer from uneven aging when viewing static content. So I would bet on micro led having this same discussion in 10 years or whenever it hits the market.
The difference with micro LED is that it is solid-state, not organic, therefore it has a longer lifespan. It is also able to get considerably brighter, so at the brightness levels of OLED you could expect multiple times the resistance.

Since LED is used in commercial signage (where sometimes you do see burn-in, but generally you do not) its durability, even when driven to very bright levels, is fairly well-established.

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Thank you for this thread. I'm the proud new owner of a 65A9F. Could someone please tell me: I understand that turning max brightness down on the screen is a good idea to prevent burn in, as well as using cinema mode (vs vivid) . Is it also a good idea to reduce gamma and peak luminance below max? Or does that not really matter since they are more about lighting up the highlights? Thank you.
Just leave it off and unplugged. Just kidding. I have an OLED and don't worry about any of that stuff. I did have it professionally calibrated though. The only thing I worry about is not leaving a static image on the screen for an extended time.
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No burn in here. Then again I don’t live at the airport...
Same here. I think it's funny how people talk about airport displays or rtings.com tests both of which aren't any indication of real world usage by most and claim that the results are conclusive and guaranteed to happen to everyone regardless of how they use their panel.

To the OP, a big problem? I don't see it as such. Sure there's a risk... such as watching CNN for 12 hours a day every day but if that was what I watched I'd buy a cheap LCD.

I bought my 65" B7A for home theater disc based 4K UHD and 1080p movies and it doesn't disappoint. Mine is professionally calibrated and the PQ is stunning. I use my OLED for about 90% movie watching and 10% XBox One X gaming.

I'm at almost 10 months of ownership and 1800 hours of use and having just ran the test slide video yesterday in response to another thread... the result is...

*drumroll*

No burn in. The color slides looked great.


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My best buy has 2 OLEDs - a b6 and an e7 that have significant burn in. They had them marked down to $500 and $800. It was bad enough that no one purchased them, and they still remain there on the wall, now without price tags, demonstrating that it does happen, even on non-static images. If it were my store, I'd not want that displayed, but hey, it's theirs.
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My best buy has 2 OLEDs - a b6 and an e7 that have significant burn in. They had them marked down to $500 and $800. It was bad enough that no one purchased them, and they still remain there on the wall, now without price tags, demonstrating that it does happen, even on non-static images. If it were my store, I'd not want that displayed, but hey, it's theirs.
Hey, could you buy that set, and then claim warranty work by LG to get a brand new set? That would be a pretty good deal.
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25%/25% disc movies/TV, OLED light 35 to 40. Nothing with a ticker for more than 15 minutes, no CNN at all, a few stations with grey/white logos.
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Some guy on youtube said that HDR will kill the OLED screen.

I am very afraid to play any static image on my OLED. However I don't have any burn in so far. Knock on wood, about 5,250 hours so far.
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Please, OLEDs are dirt cheap now compared to plasma and what OLEDs cost just a few years ago.

More expensive than a cheap LCD set to be sure, but no more expensive than high-end LCDs.

$3k is still a lot of money for a middle class income.
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$3k is still a lot of money for a middle class income.
if I recall correctly, you could buy a 60 inch plasma for under a thousand bucks during the last year they were sold. And a good one for under $2000. Only the highest end flagship models were priced where OLED is today. So as far as I'm concerned, OLED has not even come down to the price of plasma yet.

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My first Plasma was a 50" Pioneer PDP-5070 that was over $5500 new in 2006. (CAD$)
Two years later my next Pio was a 50" Kuro on close-out prices for about half of that.

The MSRP on the LG 65B6P in early 2016 was $7K, (Canada)
I finally jumped in when it finally dropped to $4K on BF 2016.

This year the 2018 "8" series 65's were going for $2799 on Black Friday
almost tempted to retire the 50" Kuro in the Master Bedroom for one of those now too.

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I have 2 OLED tv's. First one is a 65EF9500, with over 4500 hours. OLED light is set to 100, and contrast at 85 for over 4000 hours. Most watching sports with logos and banners. No BI. My second tv is a 65E6 OLED with over 2000 hours. Again, no BI. It is completely being overblown. Real world use, real world no BI.
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FIFY.

Burn-in is not a problem until it happens to you. I too had a 65E6 with the OLED light set at 100. (My contrast may have been 85 too but not sure.) Burn-in started after about a year of use. LG could not fix it.

Count yourself lucky.
I'm with wxman, my first 2015 Oled had over over 2k hrs also. Well in that case all of us (which is the majority) of avs members that own Oled TV's must be extremely lucky than.

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I'm with wxman, my first 2015 Oled had over over 2k hrs also. Well in that case all of us (which is the majority) of avs members that own Oled TV's must be extremely lucky than.
If you are claiming that no AVS member has ever experienced burn-in, the poll I ran, plus numerous comments in various threads, indicates otherwise.

Is it a small percentage? Yes. Is it none? No.
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If you are claiming that no AVS member has ever experienced burn-in, the poll I ran, plus numerous comments in various threads, indicates otherwise.

Is it a small percentage? Yes. Is it none? No.
No one has claimed that ever and I agree with you 100%, that's why I have always said it exists, it's just an overblown issue in my experience and from others.
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we have lots of good discussions on AVS about burn-in: we know that OLED's can exhibit burn-in from static logos, etc: it is the nature of an emissive display: and we know with a little care burn-in can be avoided (in a home theater environment)

but the airport shots seem out of place: the only thing they tell me is the folks who installed them in an airport with 24/7 service of static images did not know what they were doing

Honestly I think the airport shots should not be part of this discussion
Yes, this is very much the same issue as testing for carcinogenic substances by painting them heavily on the naked skin of lab rats to see if you can induce cancers. It exposes the rats to much heavier doses of the substances than they would ever have in a natural environment, so what can it ever prove? Besides, it is just downright mean. Above in this thread, a poster decried the abuse of OLED's, putting them unfairly in a test environment that they were never designed for. Yes, "abuse", I say -- nothing less!


Anyhow, we'd all be better off not gadding about the planet, going much further and faster than humans were ever intended to go. So I call on all true video enthusiasts: End OLED abuse today! STAY OUT OF AIRPORTS!

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My first Plasma was a 50" Pioneer PDP-5070 that was over $5500 new in 2006. (CAD$)
Two years later my next Pio was a 50" Kuro on close-out prices for about half of that.

The MSRP on the LG 65B6P in early 2016 was $7K, (Canada)
I finally jumped in when it finally dropped to $4K on BF 2016.

This year the 2018 "8" series 65's were going for $2799 on Black Friday
almost tempted to retire the 50" Kuro in the Master Bedroom for one of those now too.

My first plasma was a 40" off brand Chinese display. I bought it for a new house we were building and wanted a flat TV on the wall. It was $2500 (in 2002), so OLED pricing is about the same. It will take a while.

By the way, it suffered from image retention as well. My daughter left a DVD playing overnight and when it went back to the menu, it stayed there all night until I got up the next morning. Even when I turned the TV off, the menu was there. I had a cow until I found a disc image somewhere (maybe here) with a program of content that eliminated it over an hour or so.

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I am a gamer and I want a great picture, but I decided save a bundle and get the Samsung nu8000 82" I am sure it will look better than my current 70" sharp I had for some years now and if I want to do some serious movie watching I will watch it on my Sony 45es projector 100" properly.
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Year with W7. Not even a slightest burn in. Over 1700 hours on time. Lots of HDR gaming with static elements. Lots of varied viewing too. Not even a hint of burn in.

Very minor image retentions happen all the time, which wash out during the next minute or so.

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2100+ hours on my C6. Olight level never over 47. Normally kept at 35. Color level 47. No HDR played (disabled it in my player). No gaming or sports watched on it (numerous other tv's in the home for those things).

Never any image retention and zero burn in. Hoping for 10,000-ish hours (5-ish years) out of it.

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