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The IMAX Enhanced program has promised not to use any dynamic range compression for their IE home video releases. IF that means they are not doing a home theatre re-mix, then they would not be the first (Paramount essentially ports their theatrical tracks to Blu-ray). They won't have to lament the bass sounding "kind of bloated". After complaining about the bass boost ("you may not want a feature like this"), are you now complaining about the lack of it?
What I'm questioning is what is the intent here? Irrespective of my personal opinion of it, is the bass supposed to be in the mix or not supposed to be in the mix? If it's supposed to be in the mix, it would seem wiser to do a dedicated home video remix of the soundtrack to ensure that all viewers get the same results. Relying on this special IMAX mode that's only available in a small number of receivers is essentially a big F-U to anyone who doesn't have one of those receivers.

I still don't see the need for a special IMAX codec and hardware when it seems like everything they're doing could have been accomplished at the soundtrack mixing stage and played back through normal DTS:X or Atmos.

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Prior to the IE program, has there been any IMAX content on Blu-ray which had pre-filtered bass pooled into the .1 channel that required a level drop during encoding and compensating boost during playback?

I have no idea. I didn't know they did that at all until you explained it.

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What I'm questioning is what is the intent here?
I'm guessing the IMAX Enhanced program is attempting to reproduce IMAX titles on home video more faithfully than prior releases.
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Relying on this special IMAX mode that's only available in a small number of receivers is essentially a big F-U to anyone who doesn't have one of those receivers.
No more than putting discrete height information in a soundtrack that cannot be played back from the proper direction. Are people with non-immersive AVRs supposed to hear sounds intended to come from above them instead coming from around them (incorrect direction)? Backwards compatibility only buys you so much. IE soundtracks can be decoded using straight DTS:X decoding (as you demonstrated by switching back and forth). But that doesn't mean DTS:X decoding does everything that the IE mode does.
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I didn't know they did that at all until you explained it.
We already knew that IMAX soundtracks don't use a LFE channel. You mentioned that the main channels sounded filtered. Based on that, the notion that they were pre bass managed seemed an obvious conclusion.

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I'm guessing the IMAX Enhanced program is attempting to reproduce IMAX titles on home video more faithfully than prior releases.
That's where I'm skeptical. Is it really "more faithful" or just cranked up to be more showy? I don't think we'll have an answer for that until we have a broader selection of content to test.

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No more than putting discrete height information in a soundtrack that cannot be played back from the proper direction. Are people with non-immersive AVRs supposed to hear sounds intended to come from above them instead coming from around them (incorrect direction)? Backwards compatibility only buys you so much.

At least downconverting an immersive track to 5.1 or 7.1 still retains all of the original audio content, albeit coming from different channels. If your theory is correct, playing an IMAX soundtrack on any receiver that doesn't have this IMAX mode actually throws away audible content. Needlessly so, since, again, the entire issue could be fixed at the mixing stage to work on any equipment.

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Is it really "more faithful" or just cranked up to be more showy?
Depends on your feelings about the IMAX Enhanced program. If you're skeptical, then you're predisposed to believe that the bass is "just cranked up to be more showy". No logic will convince you otherwise. I already explained the need for boosting during playback, based partially on you noticing bass filtered from the main channels. You're not required to believe that explanation.
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At least downconverting an immersive track to 5.1 or 7.1 still retains all of the original audio content, albeit coming from different channels.
Wrong channels? More like completely wrong direction. By comparison, a small variance from accurate bass level is routine (people already set their bass levels all over the place).
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If your theory is correct, playing an IMAX soundtrack on any receiver that doesn't have this IMAX mode actually throws away audible content.
A reduction in level doesn't throw away content any more than adjusting the overall volume does.

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By comparison, a small variance from accurate bass level is routine (people already set their bass levels all over the place). A reduction in level doesn't throw away content any more than adjusting the overall volume does.

I'm sure that's exactly what the folks at Disney tell themselves every time they prepare one of those bass-deficient soundtracks we all love so much. "Bass in the soundtrack? What's the difference? The end user can just turn up their subwoofer!"

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Hi,

Good news to me, My projector already is certified for IMAX enhanced.

I always use Denon AVR so most likely next time I buy an AVR I will have most of the needed puzzle pieces for this new standard.

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The IMAX enhanced 4K BDs are NOT available on amazon in Canada, except for an expensive import.
The 2 Titles are available at a reasonable price from amazon USA, who does ship to Canada. (Less than $80 CA, including shipping and exchange)

A Beautiful Planet” narrated by Jennifer Lawrence, and “Journey to the South Pacific” narrated by Cate Blanchett.

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The IMAX enhanced 4K BDs are NOT available on amazon in Canada, except for an expensive import.
The 2 Titles are available at a reasonable price from amazon USA, who does ship to Canada. (Less than $80 CA, including shipping and exchange)

A Beautiful Planet” narrated by Jennifer Lawrence, and “Journey to the South Pacific” narrated by Cate Blanchett.
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What units have the IMAX audio capability to process the sound already updated? And how’s the sound quality?

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What units have the audio capability to process the sound already updated? And how’s the sound quality?

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At this point only the Denon 8500 / Marantz 8805.

The lower level models (e.g. Denon 4500 and 6500) will get the update in the next month or two hopefully.

Sound quality is very good, very rich and immersive, but you should read the discussion from earlier in this thread to understand the nuances of how the IMAX sound mode is tweaking bass management and bass levels.

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At this point only the Denon 8500 / Marantz 8805.

The lower level models (e.g. Denon 4500 and 6500) will get the update in the next month or two hopefully.

Sound quality is very good, very rich and immersive, but you should read the discussion from earlier in this thread to understand the nuances of how the IMAX sound mode is tweaking bass management and bass levels.
Thanks for the info! Will read thru the recent forum post. I have the 8805 but have not checked for the imax update.
I use the 8805 and two 7702mkll in a multi avp setup with 30 speakers. However, in my theater I also have a
trinnov 32 that won’t anytime soon update to the imax setting. I will be doing the 8805 download later tonight.
I hope trinnov eventually gets the imax update, I think they will, would like to make the comparisons .

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I hope trinnov eventually gets the imax update, I think they will, would like to make the comparisons .
Well, lucky you, you picked the right day to ask! http://hometheaterreview.com/trinno...x-pro-support/

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Well, lucky you, you picked the right day to ask! http://hometheaterreview.com/trinno...x-pro-support/

Thanks “Dude”!!!, love it! Had to thank you for that before reading the link. Didn’t know it was out there. Will
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The 8805 has been IMAXed enhanced for a couple months now. Not that there's much content. But ya do the best with what you have.


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The 8805 has been IMAXed enhanced for a couple months now. Not that there's much content. But ya do the best with what you have.

How’s it look/sound with none imaxed movies if you’ve tried it ? I still haven’t had time to do the upload. Maybe to night, is it the usual upload in the setup menu of the 8805? Bat..sent me a link of an article about the trinnov also
Will get a free imax upload later this year...can’t wait. There is a Dts-x pro coming that will do up to 32 speakers in the format...I have 30 speakers in the theater so i, again can’t wait.

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How’s it look/sound with none imaxed movies if you’ve tried it ? I still haven’t had time to do the upload. Maybe to night, is it the usual upload in the setup menu of the 8805? Bat..sent me a link of an article about the trinnov also
Will get a free imax upload later this year...can’t wait. There is a Dts-x pro coming that will do up to 32 speakers in the format...I have 30 speakers in the theater so i, again can’t wait.

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I'm embarrassed to admit, I only watched the first 5 minutes of it and something came up and I haven't gotten back to it. I know, I know, I should turn in my home theater card. But those first 5 minutes were really good.

Yes, the update is the usual in the menu. Can't remember how long it took tho.

30 speakers!? Holy cow!

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I have a Denon 8500 that got the Imax update and since then I've been trying to figure out what exactly this does for me. I found this FAQ and it is the worst marketing fluff I've ever read:


http://www.imaxenhanced.com/


Seems like another "THX Certified" thing. Is this as pointless as I think it is?
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I'm embarrassed to admit, I only watched the first 5 minutes of it and something came up and I haven't gotten back to it. I know, I know, I should turn in my home theater card. But those first 5 minutes were really good.

Yes, the update is the usual in the menu. Can't remember how long it took tho.

30 speakers!? Holy cow!
I’ve done that, everyone has! How many times haven’t I just settle down in my theater by myself for a short while when the wife interrupts 😡, I need you to come do something right now!
Gotta get down to the theater and do the upload. Now the altitude 32 will be getting the imax upload in mid 2019...
Can’t wait to compare with the 8805....as I said both processors are in the theater and connected to my 30 speakers +9
Sub drivers.

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I have a Denon 8500 that got the Imax update and since then I've been trying to figure out what exactly this does for me. I found this FAQ and it is the worst marketing fluff I've ever read:

http://www.imaxenhanced.com/

Seems like another "THX Certified" thing. Is this as pointless as I think it is?
Yes and no.

In some ways, yes, it is a lot of marketing fluff. The most cynical view is that this is a desperation move by DTS, which is getting clobbered by Dolby (with Atmos), to partner with a big name in IMAX who is also losing ground to Dolby (Dolby Cinema / Dolby Vision). DTS gets some more brand bling with the IMAX label, and IMAX gets to create footprint in the consumer space, by leveraging existing technology (HDR10+ video and DTS:X audio) and wrapping it in a fancy label to make it look like something brand new. On a technical level, leaving aside some minor differences like how IMAX DTS codec deals with bass management, there appears to be absolutely nothing unique about the video/audio capabilities of "IMAX Enhanced" content. They could have, in theory, delivered the exact same content simply using standard HDR10 + DTS:X.

The counter to that would be to point out (1) the mastering/certification process and (2) the potential to see the taller aspect ratio IMAX versions of blockbuster films. In theory, these "IMAX Enhanced" releases will have been carefully supervised to ensure that the IMAX audio translates correctly to the home theater environment and the video is graded to highest standards, so (again, theoretically) you are viewing/hearing the best, most "as intended by the creator" version of the movie. On the second point, there are movies which were released in 2.39 Cinemascope aspect ratio which also have 1.90 IMAX versions, like Avengers: Infinity War... so people with typical 16:9 screens would get to see the extra footage and make better use of the full height of the screen.

So, in other words, the benefit is mostly in the curation / mastering of the content to ensure a certain standard of quality in the final product, not in some new technological breakthrough.
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I have a Denon 8500 that got the Imax update and since then I've been trying to figure out what exactly this does for me.
Ever see a mainstream movie at an IMAX theatre? The IMAX versions sometimes have different edits, different run times, different sound mixes, different and/or variable aspect ratios, etc. These versions of popular movies are shown in IMAX theatres for a couple/few weeks, after which they end up sitting on a shelf forever. The IMAX Enhanced program is a way for IMAX to monetize these dormant assets by releasing them on home video.

Two studios have signed up: Paramount and Sony (which announced that they will be releasing IMAX versions of Venom and Alpha this year). The third "studio" is IMAX themselves; they've already released a couple of their documentaries under the IE program. On the video side, Sony & TCL are going to be putting IMAX Enhanced modes on their displays. For audio playback, several brands have signed up: Arcam, Elite, Integra, Lexicon, Onkyo, Pioneer, Trinnov and Denon/Marantz (got the IMAX Enhanced upgrade in October).

Plus there is going to be streaming: http://variety.com/2019/digital/new...ha-1203100056/

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The counter to that would be to point out (1) the mastering/certification process and (2) the potential to see the taller aspect ratio IMAX versions of blockbuster films. In theory, these "IMAX Enhanced" releases will have been carefully supervised to ensure that the IMAX audio translates correctly to the home theater environment and the video is graded to highest standards, so (again, theoretically) you are viewing/hearing the best, most "as intended by the creator" version of the movie. On the second point, there are movies which were released in 2.39 Cinemascope aspect ratio which also have 1.90 IMAX versions, like Avengers: Infinity War... so people with typical 16:9 screens would get to see the extra footage and make better use of the full height of the screen.

So, in other words, the benefit is mostly in the curation / mastering of the content to ensure a certain standard of quality in the final product, not in some new technological breakthrough.
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Ever see a mainstream movie at an IMAX theatre? The IMAX versions sometimes have different edits, different run times, different sound mixes, different and/or variable aspect ratios, etc. These versions of popular movies are shown in IMAX theatres for a couple/few weeks, after which they end up sitting on a shelf forever. The IMAX Enhanced program is a way for IMAX to monetize these dormant assets by releasing them on home video.
OK that does indeed confirm this is nothing but hype. They've released imax versions of movies on blu-ray before. Shifting aspect ratios and supervised transfers don't require special certified playback hardware.
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Frankly, this seems pointless. But to each his own.
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Is Samsung TV this Year
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I'd say almost pointless.

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I don’t understand?

Are you saying you don’t believe this IMAX Enhanced will ever take place? Or that it will fade out before it ever starts? Many people myself included are excited some aspects or another of what this is all about. Personally I don’t care as much about the “audio enhanced” part of it as I am about the “video enhanced” parts. By all accounts the IMAX DMR is a plus as well as getting the taller more immersive 1.89 AR where available.

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Its Pointless for hardware. If they want to put out blu-rays with high quality transfers that's great. But it doesn't require special playback hardware or this new platform that they are trying to hype up.


This is really just an attempt to keep up with Dolby who have their name plastered over most blu-rays, streaming, and now movie theaters too.

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Its Pointless for hardware. If they want to put out blu-rays with high quality transfers that's great. But it doesn't require special playback hardware or this new platform that they are trying to hype up.


This is really just an attempt to keep up with Dolby who have their name plastered over most blu-rays, streaming, and now movie theaters too.
I wouldn’t call it pointless. I would call it free enterprise and competition. Without different companies competing for our money we wouldn’t have any of this great technology. The market place makes the final call.

As far as I can see no one is forcing anyone to download updates for this format and the media will be able to go both ways, just as the equipment that comes bundled with it allows for a choice.

IMAX is doing stuff with the studios and enhancing older stuff. IMO it is not fair to ask them to do ABC but only provide BC on the media. It would be like telling Apple we like your phones but stop putting the camera on them because we like the other brands camera better.

The time to say it was pointless would be after it fails in the marketplace and say they should have known it was pointless. Change is never a bad idea without trying nothing would ever change or change very slow.

Time will tell.

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It's not like you're paying extra. The IMAX update to my processor was free. As in zilch. Bluto gets it.


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Beautiful Planet - excellent PQ and Audio, unfortunately, just not into the Space Station all that much.
Journey to the South Pacific - OMG - I didn't realize how good my KS9800 is ! Watching the Trailer after, what a PQ difference! BD is Reference despite the non-enhanced playback. Talk about realism!

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