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We do not say the same ..
Color subsampling can not be proved with pictures of the matrix - this is a software, while the bits of the matrix is hardware!

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Hristoslav2 what can you definitively say about the Macro I posted above?




Back to Scott: How did HU9000 specification of not being 10bit become revealed? Who, what, when, where and how?

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However, it turns out that the panel within the HU9000 is, in fact, 8-bit, and that Scott Cohen and TV Service Parts were mistakenly misinformed. (There was no intent to deceive; it was a clerical error.)
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Explain in detail how a picture of the matrix will understand color sub-sampling 4:4:4, 4:2:2 or 4:2:0?
You know how it works and how the matrix degrees of brightness has a separate domain in VA matrix?
4:2:2 and 4:2:0 chroma subsampling are ways of compressing some of the color information compared with 4:4:4 or native RGB from the PC world. However, the luma is not compressed, meaning individual pixels next to each other can get different absolute RGB values, even if the CbCr values of two adjacent pixels are the same. One hopes that panels which have more complicated subpixel designs beyond the traditional RGB triplet like RGBW or RGBG (Pentile) take advantage of their design and convert the source image into their native colorspace and subpixel layout.

However, none of the above helps identify the difference between an 8-bit per pixel, 8-bit+2bit FRC, or native 10-bit panel-- or even the scary 6-bit + 2-bit FRC panels.

Identifying 6-bit vs 8-bit panels is trivial-- banding artifacts should be obvious. Telling 8-bit, and especially 8-bit+2bit FRC from 10-bit panels is harder to do with normal TV/movie content, but it should be fairly easy to see with 10-bit gradient patterns or test videos from Spears and Munsil and so forth. (Those test videos will be in 4:4:4, of course-- if some part of the display chain downconverts to 4:2:0, adjust it to preserve 4:4:4.)

A good way to identify the presence of FRC is simply a camera which can shoot at 60Hz or whatever the native display refresh rate is. Even a cellphone camera with a fast "burst" mode can be good enough, but a DSLR camera which can do 1080p/60Hz video recording or at least a fast photo burst mode and a tripod works better. Capture 8 frames or so and rotate through them in an image viewer-- whether static or temporal dithering is in use and how good that dithering is will be very obvious.

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Rtings take pictures of the pixels and on some of the pictures you can see clear the pixel matrix.

JS9500 have 8 but I don't think is a 8bit panel.

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also hdtvtest site take macro close up pictures of the pixels.

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Rtings take pictures of the pixels and on some of the pictures you can see clear the pixel matrix.

JS9500 have 8 but I don't think is a 8bit panel.
All of the 2015 SUHD sets were strongly advertised as true 10 bit panels with 10 bit colour etc. etc.
But given that the panel is shared with the 2014 sets (I think?) isn't it possible that the 2015 sets share the same panel bit depth?


I remember a thread from last spring in which a Samsung retailer employee (Mark Fitzgerald?) was basically crucifed for saying the 2014 Samsung sets were 8 bit and not true 10 bit. He said his Samsung contacts from corporate were saying the 2015 sets were the first true 10 bit sets.....but it would be great to have definitive proof. Very interesting article started by Scott!
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Back to Scott: How did HU9000 specification of not being 10bit become revealed? Who, what, when, where and how?
Yes, so far no supporting evidence provided.

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IMHO this doesn't reveal the bits of the panel.

Haier LET39Z18 pixels.



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IMHO this doesn't reveal the bits of the panel.
Agreed. The notion that 8 domains means it's an eight-bit panel only works if each of the domains is exactly twice as bright as the prior one.

If all of the domains within a subpixel element are being lit up with the same brightness for a given RGB value at the pixel, what that means is each subpixel element is being driven by the digital equivalent of a dimmer switch. The dimmer switch for a 6-bit panel has 64 positions; an 8-bit panel has 256 positions; and a 10-bit panel has 1024 positions.

In a panel, the variable voltage is changing the polarization of the element to control how much of the backlight is permitted through for that pixel rather than changing how bright the backlight is directly. (All of the pixels-- or at least large groups for FALD-- share the same backlight.)

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Rtings take pictures of the pixels and on some of the pictures you can see clear the pixel matrix.

JS9500 have 8 but I don't think is a 8bit panel.
The primary reason I started taking macro was to see the difference in BOM (Versions) between the same Full Model Number of Samsung branded sets.

Ratings does a review on one size of each model set (to my understanding) and name the attached Matrix to the review. Now we all know different forms of pixel be it VA, IPS, PVA, SVA made are going to have their pro/con. So I have to be careful looking at Rtings pics to qualify any information. In other words if a Model know to have AUO, Samsung, or Sharp panels in different sizes of the same model and Ratings show a clear pic of an SVA for the 55" model, buyers may be disappointed/elated when they find an IPS on a 50" of the same model.
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Rtings take pictures of the pixels and on some of the pictures you can see clear the pixel matrix.

JS9500 have 8 but I don't think is a 8bit panel.
yes I noticed this also the hu8550 has similar pixel matrix as js9500. The Ks9500 has 10

Js9500

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My Hu8700 looks exactly like Js9500 matrix btw
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player002 also check hdtvtest pictures look a little bit more clear.

JS9500




edit: also on the KS picture from hdtvtest I see 8 not 10.




check this videos ,see how the sub pixels behave.

Spoiler!



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more videos on this link
http://www.google.com/search?q=real...=10&sa=N&dpr=1
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That's like, just your uninformed opinion, man.

Oh brother, still calling HDR a gimmick I see. Bit depth enables HDR and one of its biggest benefits.

In case anyone else out there takes what you say as being somehow valid, Doug Trumbull, aka the guy who did the FX in 2001, said that High Frame rate is worth more than High dynamic range, but High dynamic range is more important than color gamut which is sort of what you are saying here. And all those things matter more than static resolution.
Just to nip in the bud this false information you and the marketing people constantly spread around here. This is 100% false and nothing to do with my opinion. Bit depth enables more digital video levels which gives you the ability to encode more information/detail within a given dynamic range. In other words it lets you get more shadow detail in the dark areas, as well as more information in the higher end bright areas, as well as anywhere else within the dynamic range to smooth/eliminate color banding.

HDR is simply widening the dynamic range. Widening the dynamic range creates more color banding with all else being equal. Bit depth helps this widening take place with less banding, but its arguable if 10 bits is even enough for how far they have decided to ridiculously widen the Home Video Gimmick version of HDR (and yes this is clearly my opinion on this point only).

I never mentioned HFR or Resolution, so you can continue talking to yourself on that point.

You can always tell if someone has no idea what HDR is if they try to tell you that HDR enables more shadow detail or 'better blacks'.
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Thumbs up EXIF of images downloaded then Zoomed match

player002 linked the Rtings images per review.
http://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/js9500/js9500-pixels-large.jpg
http://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/hu8550/hu8550-pixels-medium.jpg
http://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/ks9500/ks9500-pixels-large.jpg

losservatore linked the images per HDTVtest
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/uhdtv/Samsung-UE65JS9500/subpixel.jpg
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/uhdtv/Samsung-UE55KS9000/subpixel.jpg

I've downloaded then enabled the EXIF of said images and screencap them vertically. Noticed the 180 degree rotation and sequence of RBG - Rtings images /RGB - HDTVtest images.
Also the KS image from HDTVtest is "named" UE55KS9000 not ~KS9500

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Yes, so far no supporting evidence provided.
Yo Scott! You got us all hot. You're stirring up the pot. So what have you got? Ya say 8 bits. You say low nits. But is it just noise? To stir up the boyz?

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Yo Scott! You got us all hot. You're stirring up the pot. So what have you got? Ya say 8 bits. You say low nits. But is it just noise? To stir up the boyz?
Have you ever watched TV with the radio and experienced how the video goes with the song.. LOL

Here's my experience reading your last post with OMG PRICELESS

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All of the 2015 SUHD sets were strongly advertised as true 10 bit panels with 10 bit colour etc. etc.
But given that the panel is shared with the 2014 sets (I think?) isn't it possible that the 2015 sets share the same panel bit depth?


I remember a thread from last spring in which a Samsung retailer employee (Mark Fitzgerald?) was basically crucifed for saying the 2014 Samsung sets were 8 bit and not true 10 bit. He said his Samsung contacts from corporate were saying the 2015 sets were the first true 10 bit sets.....but it would be great to have definitive proof. Very interesting article started by Scott!
Ya that guy was full of it though. He said his contacts(VP of NA samsung)said OCB was just a GUI change and that we would not get HDR. This was false as the OCB housed new Sli9777(hdr hdmi chip) new video processors ,upscalers and new Octa core cpu. He said only smart apps get updated with OCB this was extremely false.

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Also the KS image from HDTVtest is "named" UE55KS9000 not ~KS9500
UK KS9000 is equivalent to the US KS9500.

they are both the same TV with different numbers, it always been like that.


I see the top of the sub pixel brighter, is that from the camera ? or those tops get brighter?


Also looks like copper.

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UK KS9000 is equivalent to the US KS9500.

they are both the same TV with different numbers, it always been like that.


I see the top of the sub pixel brighter, is that from the camera ? or those tops get brighter?


Also looks like copper.
From my experience taking home brew Macros, Red is the hardest to nail down as it bleeds substantially. I can't speak for HDTVtest on why their Red is brighter.

I'm not sure I understand all there is to know on the KS9000 UK model being equivalent to US KS9500. Something doesn't add up.
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I don't know who is the person that made those specs but hdtvtest specify that their kS9000 is the US kS9500

they are both curved...

On those tables the KS9000 is flat ,but on hdtvtest is curved.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55k...1603244256.htm

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/t...UE65KS9000TXXU


Those tables look like they were made by someone who collect info from the internet.
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Hristoslav2 what can you definitively say about the Macro I posted above?
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This is UV2A, 8 bit + FRC matrix by Sharp
example
Sharp LC-60UD20E (european model 2014)- Panel colour processing - 8 bit

Sharp produce a true 10-bit panels in the second half of 2014.
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Rtings take pictures of the pixels and on some of the pictures you can see clear the pixel matrix.

JS9500 have 8 but I don't think is a 8bit+FRC panel.

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also hdtvtest site take macro close up pictures of the pixels.
For information - Vincent Teo regularly sends me pictures of analysis before publishing the review.
Unfortunately, it uses USB microscope for $ 30 purchased over the Internet.
http://forum.setcombg.com/panasonic-...tml#post767439

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IMHO this doesn't reveal the bits of the panel.

Haier LET39Z18 pixels.


Sony Bravia KDL-32CX520.
Тhe first picture is of - Polymer Sustained Alignment (PSA) matrix.
The second photograph is of - Circularly Polarized Vertical Alignment (C-PVA) matrix/ 8 bit.
Both are a type of PVA (MVA-with protrusions, PVA - without protrusions)
Both management domains is different from that in MVA matrices.

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Those tables look like they were made by someone who collect info from the internet.
Yes - collect information from the Internet - these are my opportunities.
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Yes - collect information from the Internet - these are my opportunities.
I was referring about the models table ,KS9000 is the same KS9500. one is the UK version and the other US
and both are curved ,check Samsung UK and you will see that is curved.

That part of the information on the table is incorrect or is from another country.
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As Stacey Spears has pointed out to me, there is no way to definitively measure the native bit depth of a display panel without physically dismantling the TV and testing the panel directly.
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I wish there was a foolproof way for consumers to determine this for all displays, but in some cases, there isn't.
That is a huge contradiction with how HDR is being advertised and promoted -it is supposed to be an improvement that anyone can see, supposedly the most important TV upgrade, blah, blah, blah.
If no visual test can be made that can clearly show to the consumer the difference between 10bit and 8bit, then either the current 2-bit HDR technology upgrade is of no significant importance, OR this statement above is wrong.

That should alert all prospect HDR buyers (and owners), because if you can't visually see any improvement with specifically designed tests, you definitely won't see it in actual content -you'll only think you see it (placebo) and in that case that means that the current HDR tech is an insignificant upgrade that you are called to pay a premium and you should wait for a proper one.
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I was referring about the models table ,KS9000 is the same KS9500. one is the UK version and the other US
and both are curved ,check Samsung UK and you will see that is curved.

That part of the information on the table is incorrect or is from another country.
In the US the KS9500 is curved and the KS9000 is flat.

http://www.samsung.com/us/compare/#c...UN65KS9000FXZA

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That should alert all prospect HDR buyers (and owners), because if you can't visually see any improvement with specifically designed tests, you definitely won't see it in actual content -you'll only think you see it (placebo) and in that case that means that the current HDR tech is an insignificant upgrade that you are called to pay a premium and you should wait for a proper one.
If you think it is insignificant, then you (a) haven't watched good HDR on a JS9500; or (b) you have very poor vision.
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Thank you for the links losservatore.

Thank you for the reply hristoslav2.

Spoiler!



If the image posted by hdtvtest is the true subpixel structure of this set, and if there is a physical correlation to the bit depth of said subpixel structure. Then this is 8 bit by domain set. Thus corrections need be made.

If the image posted by hdtvtest is the true subpixel structure of this set, and if there is NOT a physical correlation to the bit depth of said subpixel structure. Then a physical correlation to subpixels/bit depth by domain is errant thinking. Thus, I am back to square one of how to confirm bit depth by physical methods.

Thank you all for adding to the discussion.

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That is a huge contradiction with how HDR is being advertised and promoted -it is supposed to be an improvement that anyone can see, supposedly the most important TV upgrade, blah, blah, blah.
If no visual test can be made that can clearly show to the consumer the difference between 10bit and 8bit, then either the current 2-bit HDR technology upgrade is of no significant importance, OR this statement above is wrong.

That should alert all prospect HDR buyers (and owners), because if you can't visually see any improvement with specifically designed tests, you definitely won't see it in actual content -you'll only think you see it (placebo) and in that case that means that the current HDR tech is an insignificant upgrade that you are called to pay a premium and you should wait for a proper one.
You provide a moment of clarity, for sure. I'm still waiting to be able to go into a store and have someone show me something as clear as the difference between HD and UHD.

There are sometimes too many elephants in our living rooms with this consumer technology, no pun intended.
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I got the biggest migrane looking at all the color hues and counting. Loads of info here but not much real solid specs from manufacturers as to the bit depth ETC. Maybe too much for the average consumer to digest but important to those looking for upgrades or even future upgrades.
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I was referring about the models table ,KS9000 is the same KS9500. one is the UK version and the other US
and both are curved ,check Samsung UK and you will see that is curved.

That part of the information on the table is incorrect or is from another country.
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http://forum.setcombg.com/samsung-%D...tml#post767711

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http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article....&id=1460114926

2015
http://www.lcd-compare.com/gamme-sam...ine-up-231.htm
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UN48JS8500 UN55HU6950 w/SEK-3500U UN40HU6950 w/SEK-3500U UBD-K8500 UN37C5000
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In the US the KS9500 is curved and the KS9000 is flat.

http://www.samsung.com/us/compare/#c...UN65KS9000FXZA
Thank you ,then those spec on the table are for the US Version.

Uk KS9000 is the US kS9500.

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