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post #151 of 167 Old 12-13-2018, 01:56 PM - Thread Starter
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I assume whatever Samsung UBD player you are using is HDR10+ capable? Is there a way to toggle it to HDR10 like other players can do with Dolby Vision? If not, could you compare with an HDR10 only UBD player on the Q8FN?

If not, comparison isn't high on my priority list. I'm more interested in seeing proof of HDR10+ on the display. So far as Amazon is concerned, I've not seen any proof in any display designation saying the Samsung displays are actually using HDR10+. So it would be nice to see if the discs finally provide some sort of proof.
I do have both a player and TV that do HDR10+. I'll run the disc and see what the info box says. the player is not currently connected to this TV so I need to pull some cables etc. to do that but I will.
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I do have both a player and TV that do HDR10+. I'll run the disc and see what the info box says. the player is not currently connected to this TV so I need to pull some cables etc. to do that but I will.
Do you know if any receiver brands announced hdr10+ support for pass through?



Also, my blue planet Imax disc came today, WILL also test later.
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Hdr10+ confirmed via Player info, but weirdly it's converting to sdr for some reason. This is the 1st time I've hooked the Panny directly to the tv.

When I had the Panny plugged through my Oppo, the info only showed HDR10 and hdr was working, hooked directly to the tv now and hdr10+ tag is there but it's being converted to SDR. I haven't seen an option to choose 4k sdr or 4k hdr like some of these Imax disc's option to you.

For some reason, the Panny is downconverting everything to Sdr when hooked up directly to my tv. No idea what's going on there. (including the built in apps).

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So we can conclude that when hooked up directly to an hdr10+ tv, the Panasonic will show hdr10+ in the header info whether it gets down converted or not. When it's not hooked up to an hdr10+ tv/device, it shows regular hdr10.
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Confirmed the 2016 KS9800 is not hdr10+ compatible

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^ looks like the similar growing pains that early DV adopters suffered will repeat, it's kind of expected...thanks for the update.

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They could stuff two frames into one by encoding UHD Blurays as over-unders, without any change to the spec whatsoever.

3840 x 2160 / 2 = 3840 x 1080 for left eye, 3840 x 1080 for right eye, and match exactly the interlaced passive 3D of recent OLEDs. This would work at 24 and 60 fps, equally well.
This could work. No need for a new standard, but it would be 3D only. Not compatible with non-3D displays.

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Another thing to mention is that in 3D Blurays there is a black gap between the eyes so there is no encoding "bleed" between the eyes. But HEVC can encode film to other resolutions than 3840 x 2160, but I'm not sure if UHD Blurays allow arbitrary resolutions of just strictly 2160p. I suspect so. Still, 3D is possible and over-under is a standard supported 3D mode on every TV and projector.
Not true. The black gap is only there in the HDMI transmission, not on the blu ray itself. It works with a substream just like Dolby Vision.
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Do you know if any receiver brands announced hdr10+ support for pass through?



Also, my blue planet Imax disc came today, WILL also test later.
Appears you asked regarding the receiver before your HDR10+ disc's came in, now that you have them can you confirm if your receiver does or does not pass HDR10+?
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Appears you asked regarding the receiver before your HDR10+ disc's came in, now that you have them can you confirm if your receiver does or does not pass HDR10+?
I'd be very much interested in this as well! Denon e.g. said that HDR10+ passthrough could maybe work when I asked, then they went to not being sure whether passthrough would be possible and now they say "they believe" HDMI 2.1 is needed. That doesn't sound like they actually know... This format looks pretty much dead in the water to me. Too late and not compatible enough.
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I'd be very much interested in this as well! Denon e.g. said that HDR10+ passthrough could maybe work when I asked, then they went to not being sure whether passthrough would be possible and now they say "they believe" HDMI 2.1 is needed. That doesn't sound like they actually know... This format looks pretty much dead in the water to me. Too late and not compatible enough.
Well since they won't have the royalty payments that DV has, it has the potential to be embraced. And it looks like that has started to heppen.

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Well since they won't have the royalty payments that DV has, it has the potential to be embraced. And it looks like that has started to heppen.

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With HDMI 2.1 still far off when it comes to actual hardware and platforms like Amazon Prime now offering both DV and HDR10+, I doubt that it will take off properly (although I would really appreciate a royalty free and open source-friendly dynamic HDR format!). The introduction of 4K and especially HDR has been a total f-up and HDR10+ just doesn't make things any better at this point.


But as this is now quite OT: Does anyone have a different HDMI 2.0b AVR that he/she could test HDR10+ passthrough with?
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With HDMI 2.1 still far off when it comes to actual hardware and platforms like Amazon Prime now offering both DV and HDR10+, I doubt that it will take off properly (although I would really appreciate a royalty free and open source-friendly dynamic HDR format!). The introduction of 4K and especially HDR has been a total f-up and HDR10+ just doesn't make things any better at this point.


But as this is now quite OT: Does anyone have a different HDMI 2.0b AVR that he/she could test HDR10+ passthrough with?
HDR10+ passes through my Anthem MRX 1120 with no issues.
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They could stuff two frames into one by encoding UHD Blurays as over-unders, without any change to the spec whatsoever.

3840 x 2160 / 2 = 3840 x 1080 for left eye, 3840 x 1080 for right eye, and match exactly the interlaced passive 3D of recent OLEDs. This would work at 24 and 60 fps, equally well.

No change needed. They could even do anamorphic encoding by setting the aspect ratio flag to 21:9 somehow, and in Scope movies stuff more vertical resolution in there (by not encoding black bars but stretching the source material), so it would be closer to 4K per eye. I don't expect this last part to happen automatically, except maybe with Java. But I'm not sure if UHD Blurays still support Java.

Another thing to mention is that in 3D Blurays there is a black gap between the eyes so there is no encoding "bleed" between the eyes. But HEVC can encode film to other resolutions than 3840 x 2160, but I'm not sure if UHD Blurays allow arbitrary resolutions of just strictly 2160p. I suspect so. Still, 3D is possible and over-under is a standard supported 3D mode on every TV and projector.
The problem is compatibility.

I have encoded 4K filmed material and used 3840x2160 output which is like you said 3840x1080 per eye. We should also note that this is half 4K per eye but still 4K resolution and double resolution to each eye over that of 1080p 3D but not full 4K3D like what a frame packing source should be which is 2x 3840x2160p images. This would be like passive 1080p sets that can only display 540p, same concept. Overall, though the image quality is really fantastic. I don't bother burning to UHD discs, there is a way now but with the cost of discs and limited space it's easier to keep things digital.

But again, it would only work on some 4K 3D displays like LG's. I don't know about other displays, possibly some active Samsung models which might work in either top/bottom or side by side. But if you use t/b then the image is stored in that format and you can't switch it like you can with frame packing. It will not work at all on 4K projectors with 3D nor any existing 1080p 3D projectors which the later would be understandable since they're not UHD capable anyway. But the point is, the format is not a universal 3D format like frame packing and therefore won't be accepted by all 4K equipment that is 3D capable. It will work for sure on LG passive 4K TV's but that's all I can say for sure.

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According to this article, Imax Enhanced titles include Venom, Spiderman Homecoming, and Jumanji: Into the Jungle.


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According to this article, Imax Enhanced titles include Venom, Spiderman Homecoming, and Jumanji: Into the Jungle.


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Crap!! Not in the US thhough

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IMAX Enhanced certified product content includes a selection of Sony Pictures Entertainment worldwide box office hits such as VENOM, Spider-Man: Homecoming and Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle will be available in Europe on select Bravia TVs via the RakutenTV streaming service later this year. At launch, the IMAX Enhanced programme will be available in five countries in Europe, namely the UK, Spain, Germany, France and Italy.

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HDR10+ passes through my Anthem MRX 1120 with no issues.

That's very interesting! It's officially only HDMI 2.0a, so shouldn't be different by design at least than other HDMI 2.0 passthrough devices.
Woud be interesting to know from more people here. Does anyone happen to have a Denon from the x300 series?
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