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post #31 of 45 Old 11-02-2018, 09:36 AM
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-6...?skuId=6213228

This is the Vizio I'm talking about. In a few weeks when black Friday sales hit I bet its 999.99 or at least 1,099.
That looks like the P Series, not the top of the line PQ series The PQ series is currently listed at $2K at BB and is supposed to drop $500 when Black Friday deal start to drop, so close to $1500.

Correct me if I'm wrong, all these alphabet soup model numbers confuse the heck out of me.
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The Viz PQ 65 is new for 2018. Does it have the banding in the black like the lower models do? I don't have one to look at locally. If it does, does banding go away after a break-in period?
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That looks like the P Series, not the top of the line PQ series The PQ series is currently listed at $2K at BB and is supposed to drop $500 when Black Friday deal start to drop, so close to $1500.

Correct me if I'm wrong, all these alphabet soup model numbers confuse the heck out of me.
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The Viz PQ 65 is new for 2018. Does it have the banding in the black like the lower models do? I don't have one to look at locally. If it does, does banding go away after a break-in period?
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Yeah I'm talking about the regular P-SERIES. It's supposed to be extremely good. Just a suggestion on that price range.

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That looks like the P Series, not the top of the line PQ series The PQ series is currently listed at $2K at BB and is supposed to drop $500 when Black Friday deal start to drop, so close to $1500.

Correct me if I'm wrong, all these alphabet soup model numbers confuse the heck out of me.
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The Viz PQ 65 is new for 2018. Does it have the banding in the black like the lower models do? I don't have one to look at locally. If it does, does banding go away after a break-in period?
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The PQ sets I looked at had the banding. Just like the regular P series. Which is the main reason I did not go with Vizio. Since noticeable banding in content that should not have it is one thing that really annoys me.
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It's all about choice. I personally would go Vizio over TCL but that why we are all consumers. We all make different choices for different reasons. I have the 900E but 55 inch. I really want a 65 inch and would like to get the P65-F1. I was told just a hair under the 900E by someone that reviews TV's for a living. The 10 inches will more than make up for the hair difference.

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I also liked spending much less. Under $900 for the 65" TCL. Which will make it much more palatable to upgrade again in two or three years. When HDMi 2.1 will be prevalent, there will be more features on the TVs, and the TVs will reach even higher nits for the same or less money.

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HDR does ZERO for me. Just do not like the gimmick like shooting they use. Oh let's put some car headlights in THIS shot.
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HDR does ZERO for me. Just do not like the gimmick like shooting they use. Oh let's put some car headlights in THIS shot.
Wow if you think HDR is about headlights you either have a very poor HDR TV or you don't understand what HDR is trying to do. I do not want to watch anything that is not HDR. The color and contrast that HDR provides is absolutely astounding. HDR is not a gimmick.

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Good HDR is only really visible in high end TV's
The TV marketing try to say that their mid range Tv's have HDR capability....they really don't


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Good HDR is only really visible in high end TV's
The TV marketing try to say that their mid range Tv's have HDR capability....they really don't


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I have a 900E which I'm told is "mid-range" and HDR looks amazing. Very bright, makes me squint almost at times.

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I'm still rocking my 55 inch LG HDMI 1.4a 1080p 3D TV from 2011, partly because standards keep changing and I don't want to buy the wrong thing or something that will soon be supplanted by a new standard since I'd like to keep what I buy for several years. Plus the industry has a few different HDR standards, Dolby Vision, HLG, then HDR 10/10+. It would be nice if we could agree on one standard and go with it.
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I have a 900E which I'm told is "mid-range" and HDR looks amazing. Very bright, makes me squint almost at times.

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I think the 700 and 800 series Sony's are considered "mid range"

But...I hear you I have a Sony X930E and a Sony Z9D which are even brighter


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I have a 900E which I'm told is "mid-range" and HDR looks amazing. Very bright, makes me squint almost at times.

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Even my old 2015 Sony UHDTV did that. It was back lit but no local dimming. It was only up to 450 nits and still seemed blinding. But my low end TCL TV gets twice as bright. And can get even brighter in small areas with FALD. So it can seem even more blinding now. It definitely looks amazing for the cost of the TV.

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I really like that 10 bit WCG is a thing now. I'm personally not a fan of extreme highlights and other bright spots in content. If my pupils need to shrink from excessive light then the blacks are getting crushed, not by the display but by my eyes.

I'm also not pleased with film industry's inconsistent mastering and inconsistent tone mapping by consumer displays. With HDR we were promised that the standard itself is future proof as the tech improves. A film is mastered to 10,000 nits and your display is only 1000 nits, no problem tone mapping would handle it perfectly. You replace your display with a 4000 nit display, no problem tone mapping will handle the same movie and give you an "accurate" result. OLED has perfect blacks and extreme contrast, while LCD has extreme brightness, no problem tone mapping can handle all situations! I now see that's not true in practice, and the HDR mastering process may look good on one display but not on another because even a studio reference display has limitations that don't exactly line up with all consumer displays.

Anyways, I suppose I'm ranting so I'll leave it there..
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Am I crazy that I'm not a big fan of Dolby Vision? I recently got an LG 77C8P and I watched a couple of movies in Dolby Vision (Ready Player one and The Matrix) and I didn't care for them at all. They looked fake. Not an enjoyable experience.
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My 10 year-old HDTV just died so I'm looking for something in the $1500 range but I am really confused by these new alphabet soup features, so I am really catching up right now.


Is HDR a competitor to Dolby Vision? How about QLED (which I saw at Sams Club and liked)? Which do I need?
UHD = Ultra High Definition 3840 x 2160 resolution

Dolby Vision is a higher standard than HDR.

If you get Dolby Vision, you're going to get HDR.

QLED is a Samsung technology. It offers a purely wavelength frequency for the LED backlight. This is supposed to lead to purer/more accurate colors with less washout (better gamut reproduction). However most experts agree that is still inferior to OLED color gamut and contrast. There have been numerous scattered reports of expensive QLED Samsung sets failing after a year.

OLED is visually superior over LED (even FALD (Full array local dimming) backlight) in terms of contrast and color. But it isn't as bright. So HDR has less of an impact. But LG's OLEDs do reach HDR-10 levels. There is concern by some about what HDR does to the OLED lifetime as it's being over driven.

I take both issues with a grain of salt. One thing is for sure, if you buy a unit with HDR make sure the processor handles 18Gbps data rate with HDMI 2.0a at least.

Or like me, wait a few years for HDMI 2.1 and all the HDR rendering content issues are ironed out. Right now it's like the early days of DVD processors where there's a lot of variance source and of how one processor handles the data stream to another. Some might be strong in one area, and poor in another.

TCL units are a decent buy and they have built in Roku HDR support. (They are consistently highly rated as a best buy) But I'm not a fan of built in smart hardware as you never know what information they are skimming off you or when support will end.

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I'm not a tin foil hat person. I could not care less what info roku or tcl is gleaning from me. I would actually prefer for them to keep track of everything. Just like I prefer that google keeps track of what I do and where I go. It makes things much easier in the long run. And especially if there are ads. If I have to see an advertisement, I would rather it be tailored toward something I am interested in.

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