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post #1 of 30 Old 05-11-2002, 08:57 PM - Thread Starter
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I want to thank David and Alan and everybody in this forum, it has been a great experience and a great oportunity to meet with other people interested in this hobby.

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post #2 of 30 Old 05-11-2002, 08:59 PM
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Ok...I'll bite. Was their something I missed ???

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Are you moving to the land of no computers or are you just giving up the hobby to catch up on some reading?

Who are you going to believe,me or your lying eyes?
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What's the saying?

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Sorry to see you go, kevin. But I understand the sentiment...I was quite surprised this morning myself.
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i understand kevin. this is a bit unsettling.

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I doubt Kevin would be so ignorant as to quit AVSForum because of a minor improvement ("change" to those who don't agree with "improvement").
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I'm afraid it's just that (the forum split) that's the reason. Kevinsmith is an AE-100 owner as well. I don't personally understand why AE-100 owners are particularly upset about this. I think this change can only improve things.

I'm an LT-150 owner (hence in the below $5000 range), but I'm not complaing.

This was hopefully a great move and will further improve the relative s/n ratio in each forum.

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I don't agree at all...and I don't own a AE100. I'm a CRT guy to date and I dont remember the G90 owners getting upset with all the posts from people wanting to buy, discuss, tweak, compare, etc., their Sony 1031's they got for $500 on EBAY.

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I'm afraid it's just that (the forum split) that's the reason. Kevinsmith is an AE-100 owner as well. I don't personally understand why AE-100 owners are particularly upset about this. I think this change can only improve things.

I'm an LT-150 owner (hence in the below $5000 range), but I'm not complaing.

This was hopefully a great move and will further improve the relative s/n ratio in each forum.

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It just seemed like the delineation was between "real" HT projectors and "imitation" HT projectors. The LT150 and other business projectors are easily categorized.. they are business projectors that work really well for HT use. Everyone knows that.

THe AE100 is not a business projectors... it's designed and marketed for HT use. Sure it's the low-budget end, but it still is a HT focus projector not a business one. So how does that make the AE100, less "real" for HT use?

I don't care where the posts go, but how about using objective categories vs subjective ones. At least price is an objective category.

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I think it was done because of the post volume. Once the activity gets to a certain level it makes sense to split. Imagine how emotional this will be when the HTPC forum is split.

The CRT forum's volume isn't as high and, unfortunately, will not be growing much if at all. Digital projectors are on a massive upswing.
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I think it was done because of the post volume. Once the activity gets to a certain level it makes sense to split. Imagine how emotional this will be when the HTPC forum is split.

The CRT forum's volume isn't as high and, unfortunately, will not be growing much if at all. Digital projectors are on a massive upswing.
Eh, a HTPC split (if one happens) would likely be split between HW and SW.

This split makes sense too...budget is an easy enough delineation to make.

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Actually I like the split. It will be a lot easier to find posts that are of interest to me. For the most part I find the serious/veteran/experienced/discerning/affluent (take your pick) over $5000 USD MSRP users to be a pain in the arse. It will be nice not to hear "the panny AE100 is a nice little entry level projector....blah blah blah....I personally can't watch one as I can spot the screendoor from 42X the distance" Just my 2 cents folks.
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All this over a silly projector that's affordable... I guess the "projector snobs" need their own place to converse.
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Would it help if we all acknowledged that the AE-100 is the greatest projector that ever lived and that all who buy it are absolutely brilliant? Indeed, many of us feel unworthy to be able to post on the same forum as the AE-100 posters. Those with AE-100's should feel honored to have a separate forum. Does that make it better?

I mean, I really don't get it. The forum split is not designed to be insulting to anyone, their projectors, or their mamas, etc. It's just designed to deal with the problems identified by Alan, the forum moderators and others. This should not be treated like such a life and death issue.
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smitty,
for me it's not the split that's a big deal.....it's the unkind remarks of Alan that are the insulting part. Calling AE100 projectors and their owners "cheap", using the pre-fix "sub", and pointing out that certain other "sub" projectors will go into the vaunted "over $5000" category as they are "clearly designed for HT" as though the AE100 isn't. One would have to be pretty thick-skinned not to take offence.
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Greg, you may have a point. It is true that sometimes HOW something is done may be more important than WHAT is done.
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The LT150s original MSRP was 6k iirc. But could still then be bough for around 3k - that was before the MSRP drop. IMO instead of MSRP it would have been a better idea to go after street price - and by that I mean common price, not special bargains (i.e. Dell deal etc).

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Yeah, I'm gone too. What a tasteless display.


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I consider the forum splittings as guidelines. I get annoyed when there are so many posts that good ones get pushed to the second or third page before I get to see them.

If someone wants to take their ball and go home over simple forum management, well, they are taking life much too seriously, IMO.

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Ken,

I see no issues with a forum split, but to make the split over pricing borders on elitism........

I would have preferred to see a split along technology families, DLP, D'ILA/LCOS, LCD. Why along those lines? Because regardless of pricing, the same issues tend to gather over tweaks and screens on a regular basis.

The arbitrary pricing decision, along with the comment that obviously HT aimed PJs (PLV-60HT, and the Sony 10HT) which retail under US$5K are ok to post into the over US$5K category merely cements my position that it's based on an "HT purposed PJ" vs a "non-HT".

Where does that put the Integra piece, which is a rebadged LT-150z with a price over US$5K?

Unlike others, I'm not going to act like Eric Cartman, saying "Screw you guys, I'm going home!"

I will however voice my opinion.

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Hi
I have read Alans post several times I find nothing in his post
that is offensive or demeaning in any way
I find it a bit ironic that if it wasnt for the AVS forum none of you would be
reaping the benefits of the AE 100 because you would not know about it
or have the ability to gain FREE knowledge on its use and set up
I believe that AVS also is in the business of providing high quality
projection systems at affordable prices and maintaining a site where
folks can come gather info on the latest,greatest,and cheapest
FP system
Just a thought
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Hi John

Splitting up the technology would still leave the problem open to spread amongst the three forums.
The price is the only way I can think to isolate the problem and put it in a section I can keep tabs on the spamming dealers ect.

Its not the perfect solution but we had to try something. I hope in time we can merge things back together.
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Alan,

I still have my opinion, and you can't have it :D

I hope neither you or Dave are offended by my opinion -- after all, it is just an opinion ;)

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Hi John

If it were not for certain problems following certain projectors that fit into all curent catogories your idea would be perfect.

You know if we were to use your idea I would have to say it was mine of course:)
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Ken,
You're purposely evading the point. I frankly don't care about the split. It's the insults and hypocracy that bug me and many others. It's clearly stated that not all sub $5000 pj's are included in this category. So why not state it more honestly. Create a "Cheapskate AE100" forum and I'll gladly become a posting member. Don't demean us with back-handed statements and a false reason for the category (i.e price barrier that isn't ).

Ray,
Funny how it's only senior and advanced members....and for the most part over-$5000 owners that can't understand this very simple explaination. Maybe those CRT's cause mental fatigue over many years of movie watching:)


I for one will be coming back in the future and will probably spend further $$$ at AVScience, unless I get judged as unworthy AE100 scum:o

On a lighter note.....does anyone think that OJ really did it?
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I see no issues with a forum split, but to make the split over pricing borders on elitism........
I concur.
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Did I miss something?

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Have to agree with their logic on the split. It would seem that the Audio and Hi-Fi group should break out a seperate below $2k for the Diva owners, and why not break out the Home Theater Computer along AMD-Intel lines. Oh, and how about the Sceens group along DIY/Goo/Dalite and Stewart lines.
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Thanks....This thread really does not need to continue. I will now close it.

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