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Outdoor projector

I am looking to buy a projector for work. To do big outdoor movie night for our members. This is the screen.... 22ft Inflatable Movie Screen http://www.amazon.com/dp/B079K9QN5C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_XGNoCb046FRQN

I am hoping for a suggestion for a good cheap projector to be used at night. Any tips?

I would have used the search because I am sure this has been talked about before but the site has changed and I can seem to find the search field.
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That's a lot of screen to light up. Assuming you have almost zero ambient light from nearby street lights or homes you would still need a light cannon as even a full moon will washout the image. What do you consider cheap? A used large venue commercial projector might be your only option if you want to get in under $3K.

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It doesn't need to be perfect. This is for kids movie night type thing at a small resort Marina. There is no light sources other than star and moon light in this area. I was thinking something along these lines. Epson Home Cinema 2150 Wireless 1080p Miracast, 3LCD projector http://www.amazon.com/dp/B074FLKWSY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_t.OoCb6EJS1QN

What happens as you go bigger? It gets less bright?
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The projector puts out a finite amount of light so the bigger the screen the less light reflected back per square foot to the viewer.

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The 2150 is a bottom of the line entry level model from a major manufacturer. It's solidly bright for typical home theater. Typical home theater being 100" to about 150" diagonal. Or, roughly, 1/2 the surface area of your screen (221" diagonal). So, you need about two times the brightness, and fairly decent theater-like conditions, which you won't have. So, around 3 times or higher the brightness.

I always bring this up when people try to go 'on the cheap' in any commercial setup. If this is a marina trying to generate some level of business, then you need to consider the return of this investment. If this entirely to 'be nice' without any return at all, then that's fine, but you also want to consider the loss from promising a outdoor movie night, then failing to deliver a quality performance. So, audio is going to be a factor, as well as a nice bright projected image.

But, this is where I would be starting...
http://epson.com/For-Work/Projector...r/p/V11H881020
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http://epson.com/For-Home/Projector...r/p/V11H836020

Wireless is a lie, so don't plan on that as the way to go. Just load a movie onto a phone and play it back from your phone or from a laptop. DO NOT USE WIRELESS if you want reliability in this setup.

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Thanks for the two suggestions! I will definitely end up with one if them.

It's not ment to generate money or anything like that.
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@homebrewguy , you've gotten good suggestions from @AV_Integrated . I would make one small change in recommending the Epson PowerLite 2250U over the other two. The 2250U has 800 more maximum lumens -- 5,000 vs. 4,200. You need as many lumens as possible for a 22' screen, which is much larger than most on this forum have experience with. There are no cheap projectors that can properly illuminate a screen that large no matter how many lumens they may falsely claim.

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Awesome thanks, doesn't make much difference but the screen is actually 18 ft, the Amazon ad is misleading, the 22 ft is the length including the inflated stand part
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Awesome thanks, doesn't make much difference but the screen is actually 18 ft, the Amazon ad is misleading, the 22 ft is the length including the inflated stand part
So is 18' the width or diagonal of the screen's image area? Projection screen size is generally discussed here in terms of diagonal, same as TV screen sizes. Either way you will benefit from 5,000 lumens.
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18 ft diagonal
While it's possible that one of the 4,200-lumen models would be enough for this size screen in the dark the 5,000-lumen model would give you a little extra insurance. Projectors throw their brightest images when lens zoom is maxed out to be as close to the screen as possible while still filling the screen. This is because when the zoom lens is wide open it passes more lumens than when it's closed down for more distant placement.

For example, the zoom lens on the Epson 2250U allows it to throw an 18' diagonal image from a range of 21' 6" to 35' 6" as measured from the front of the lens to the screen. If you keep the projector as close as possible to 21' 6" from the screen you will get a brighter image than if placed more toward 35' 6".

The projector is designed to be horizontally centered on the screen either upright (on its feet) near even with the bottom of the screen or inverted near even with the top of the screen. Most outdoor movies are done with the projector low and upright with the audience seated on either side. With the long throw you just need to keep people from sitting or walking in the light path between the projector and screen or you will be getting shadow puppets.
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I am looking to buy a projector for work. To do big outdoor movie night for our members. This is the screen.... 22ft Inflatable Movie Screen http://www.amazon.com/dp/B079K9QN5C..._XGNoCb046FRQN

I am hoping for a suggestion for a good cheap projector to be used at night. Any tips?

I would have used the search because I am sure this has been talked about before but the site has changed and I can seem to find the search field.
You are getting a lot of good info from folks who really know their stuff on this forum. With that being said, it sounds like you are just trying to set up something for Fun for some kids. You are getting a lot of info that is overkill for what it appears you are after. Listen, Kids don't care about all these details. Buy that screen and that inexpensive Projector you found and Enjoy a good time with the kids. HOwever, if this is something you plan to use a LOT for children's movies, you may want to do some more research.

Just some input here. Last summer, for my daughter's birthday, we used my 14 year old 750 lumen PJ and shined it directly on my garage door. The kids loved it. It was watchable and kind of cool. I had to jack the brightness up full max. Were the colors off.....yes. Did it look like my movies in my dedicated room? Not even close. But who cares, it was still enjoyable, the kids had a blast and didn't cost me an arm and a leg. I have a feeling no kid went home and said "Wow, the foot Lamberts of that set up was quite low. The quality time spent with my friends would have been great had there been more emphasis put on the Audio and Video System".

No disrespect intended for the other posters as I've received a wealth of knowledge from them on other threads. I'm just saying it's too much for a fun night with kids.

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@homebrewguy , I have to say I was focused on your original statement that it was for members at work, which suggested adults, and missed the part about it just being kids' movies. If you want to keeps costs low and don't mind a somewhat dimmer than optimum image then I would suggest the Epson Home Cinema 1060. It's rated at 3,100 lumens but has been independently measured at 3,300 lumens, so it's brighter than the 2150 you previously mentioned. The 1060 is the most often recommended low-cost outdoor movie video projector on this forum. MSRP is only $649 and street price is even lower.
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I read it different as well and also different than you. Whenever I was spending “works” money and if for something like this I would rather be safe than sorry. Nothing worse than having everyone show up for movie night with their kids and families and the buzz going around “Who’s idea was this?”

Home kids neighbor kids ok if you don’t like it go back home. Job related fun project where it’s the companies money go for the gusto.

At least that's how it worked where I used to go.

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@bud16415 , well, the OP now has multiple interpretations to choose from. There is an implication that money for the projector might be coming out of the company budget. On the other hand the OP did specify "cheap."
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@bud16415 , well, the OP now has multiple interpretations to choose from. There is an implication that money for the projector might be coming out of the company budget. On the other hand the OP did specify "cheap."
That likely means he is the owner and in that case the image will look great to all no matter how dim.

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I would look for a used DVision D30 XB or similar older installation projector. These are routinely available under $1K and often under $500. This will give an honest 4500 lumens in a very reliable projector. I use the 2900 lumen version for a 200" screen in complete darkness. For moonlight and the bigger size a real 4500 lumens is necessary. Color reproduction will be not quite rec. 709 but nobody will care.
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Thank you all for the help. Sorry if you found me unclear. I though saying cheap projector would be understood, that even tho this is for work, I am not looking to have it professional grade. It is just for fun.

With that said I don't want it to look bad. Would an Epson 5030 work well? I have one for personal use, and it would give me an excuse to upgrade to a 4k projector for my home.
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I would look for a used DVision D30 XB or similar older installation projector.
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... Would an Epson 5030 work well? I have one for personal use, and it would give me an excuse to upgrade to a 4k projector for my home.
That's easy. You already have it and can see it with your own eyes rather than relying on conflicting advice from others. If you don't want to bother setting up the big screen to test it just try an 18' image on a white wall in brightest mode in the same lighting you will have for your outdoor movies.

Realistically the 5030UB measures about 2,300 lumens in brightest mode with a new lamp vs. 3,300 lumens for the previously mentioned Epson HC 1060. UHP lamps lose ~25% of their lumens over the first 500 hours of use so if you have an older lamp your projector may max out closer to 1,600 lumens. Seeing an 18' image with 1,600 lumens will tell you what you need to get an image bright enough to satisfy your personal requirements.

The 5030UB is primarily designed as a dark theater projector with a priority on good black levels at the expense of maximum lumens. But if you think your 5030UB would be bright enough with a new lamp, new genuine replacement lamps for the 5030UB have an MSRP of $299. By comparison, new genuine replacement lamps for the Epson HC 1060 have an MSRP of $59, so much less expensive to frequently replace to maintain maximum lumens.
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Thank you all for the help. Sorry if you found me unclear. I though saying cheap projector would be understood, that even tho this is for work, I am not looking to have it professional grade. It is just for fun.

With that said I don't want it to look bad. Would an Epson 5030 work well? I have one for personal use, and it would give me an excuse to upgrade to a 4k projector for my home.
The Epson 5030 will work albeit on the somewhat dim side. You'll really want to minimize or isolate any exterior ambient light that might reflect off the screen surface with the Epson 5030 on an 18' diagonal 16:9 screen.

For some perspective, the Epson HC1060 that has been suggested will approximate the brightness of a commercial theater, using a new lamp, on an 18' diagonal 16:9 screen.

A suggestion for you...

If you're not firmly set on using an 18' screen, dropping down to a 16' diagonal would help your situation a lot. Screen brightness is a function of a given projectors light output, the area the light is spread over or the required area to illuminate, and the reflectively or gain value of the screen.

The difference between an 18' and 16' 16:9 screen is 39 sq. feet, which is a lot. But, the 2 foot diagonal change is not so apparent if the two screens are not seen side by side. So lighting up 39 sq. feet less area takes a lot of pressure off your situation.

The Epson 5030 at full lamp setting/new lamp with a 16' - 1.3 gain screen would be ~ equal to a commercial theater in brightness.

Dropping back to an approximately 14' or 165"-168" diagonal screen makes your Epson 5030 very, very workable and a 14" screen is still quite large. Very, very workable translates as brighter than a commercial theater. You can accommodate ~100-120 people outdoors with a 14' screen. So, if you benefit by using the Epson 5030 for outdoor duties, if it were me, I'd drop the screen size.

Full disclosure: I use an Epson HC1040 with screen sizes from 144" - 200" for our 5.1 sound, outdoor/backyard theater.
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You mention kid's movies, but does that mean animation? If so you won't need nearly as bright of a projector. I have a much smaller outdoor setup 120" and have lit it up fine for animation with a 400 lumen LED projector fine. I've also use many other projectors with lower and higher lumen's, but this is a very portable setup used for camping. I'm sure you'll be happy using your Epson 5030 with 18 foot screen, abiet you might want to use the brightest mode.
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Thank you all for the help. Sorry if you found me unclear. I though saying cheap projector would be understood, that even tho this is for work, I am not looking to have it professional grade. It is just for fun.

With that said I don't want it to look bad. Would an Epson 5030 work well? I have one for personal use, and it would give me an excuse to upgrade to a 4k projector for my home.
If it is for work, then it is NOT for fun, it is for work. If you have clients, potential clients, and their families showing up on your doorstep, and your goal is to give them a FUN experience, then don't look to cut corners and make it a weak experience.

This is all on you, and it WILL all be on you if you don't deliver the promise of a enjoyable outdoor cinema if that's what your promise was.

There are many good recommendations above, but I would not get a projector designed for a 120"-150" screen in a dark theater-like room (Epson 5030) under any circumstance based upon the size of the screen you are talking about and the environment you are putting it in.

Lumens over resolution will matter. Epson is the way to go, but I would go for brightness over contrast hands down. I would also STOP calling it 'fun'. It's not for fun for you, it's fun for others, and if it is at work, then it's a business function, it's a tax writeoff, and if you deliver a bad experience to the customers with your name on it, they will remember. If you deliver a great experience, they will remember that as well and it could drum up a lot more business, especially if you do it a few times over a Summer.

Definitely look in the used market though as some options were presented. The Epson clearance store is also a good place to look to save some money.
http://epson.com/Clearance-Center/h/cc

Nothing wrong with saving some money, but I stopped going to a local outdoor 'free' setup when they had technical difficulties they couldn't figure out. It made a cruddy evening for our family and we just went home and watched on our own setup. It is business and will reflect according to the experience that those who show up have. Like everything else, it may have some risks that outweigh rewards, or it may have major rewards that pay off in future business worth a great deal of money.

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I don't know what I did to offend you, but you do not know my business. This is very much so for fun. I will call it what I want. This is for work but it is not for profit. Again why can't you take me for what I am saying? I appreciate all the productive input but this is not for a drive-in theater, or to sell tickets or even to generate more business. This is for fun, we do things like it all the time. It will probably end up being mostly cartoons and wii bowling, for Fun, to give the grown-ups a break. Gotta love the internet. I will be testing the 5030 this spring. If it doesn't work to my liking I will buy the suggested ~$1500 unit with the high lumens.

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I don't know what I did to offend you, but you do not know my business. This is very much so for fun. I will call it what I want. This is for work but it is not for profit. Again why can't you take me for what I am saying? I appreciate all the productive input but this is not for a drive-in theater, or to sell tickets or even to generate more business. This is for fun, we do things like it all the time. It will probably end up being mostly cartoons and wii bowling, for Fun, to give the grown-ups a break. Gotta love the internet. I will be testing the 5030 this spring. If it doesn't work to my liking I will buy the suggested ~$1500 unit with the high lumens.

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You didn't offend me at all, but you also aren't being clear about who this is for. Is this for employees and their family? You said 'members', but I have no idea what that means. It sounds like it is for members of the business, and that typically means that they have paid for their membership. Perhaps I'm wrong on that. If I am, then feel free to elaborate. If not, then I stand by what I said.

Still, I provided you a link to some sub $600 models with over 3,000 lumens that have high resolution.

You could also go to WXGA instead and save a bit more with a projector that has a warranty.

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@homebrewguy , everyone here is freely donating their time here to try to help you, including @AV_Integrated who has helped many people on this forum. Although you tried to describe the situation it's possible to interpret your request in many different ways and it's easy to come to different conclusions. No one is accusing you of misleading anyone. It's just the nature of not being able to fully understand someone's projector needs from a few brief posts on a forum.

@b curry , you say you've used your Epson HC1040 for outdoor movies up to 200". The OP's screen is 18' (216") so not much bigger than yours, and the 1060 is a little brighter than the 1040. Do you think the 1060 would work for him or would it be worth his while to spend another ~$1k for a 4,200- or 5,000-lumen model?
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I am amazed no one ever thinks to snap a picture of a recommended projector in action given experience doing a 200" image. I play with my limited selection all the time. Here is a Epson HC2000 (claimed 1800 lumens) at about 25 feet casting a "test" 16x9 foot image with a new lamp and at the higher output light settings in an awful off-white room (thumbs 1-5). This is the same projector with the keystone correction almost maxed out (9 plus feet below the bottom of the image) years/lamp hours later doing a 190" image (thumbs 6-10). From personal experience I can say my HC3700 measured at 3119 lumens (mid zoom) makes the HC2000 seem like a pen light, so personally I'd give the HC5030 a try at 2300 with a new lamp since it frees up home space for a 4K projector.
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@b curry , you say you've used your Epson HC1040 for outdoor movies up to 200". The OP's screen is 18' (216") so not much bigger than yours, and the 1060 is a little brighter than the 1040. Do you think the 1060 would work for him or would it be worth his while to spend another ~$1k for a 4,200- or 5,000-lumen model?
While there are differences on paper between the HC1040 and HC1060 with regards to lumen output, with real world use the differences are superfluous. If you mount the two side by side playing back the same image on the same type of screen, you will be hard pressed to tell me the difference in brightness. You're more apt to see some type of uniformity difference from the two than any brightness difference. I prefer the throw range of the HC1040 but would like to have the native aspect of the HC1060 at 16:9 vs the HC1040's 16:10.

While the additional lumens would be beneficial from the other projectors suggested, for the price difference, hands down I would buy the HC1060.

Yes, the HC1060 will work well with an 18' screen. The HC1040/HC1060's are little hot rods.

The OP can use his HC5030 on an 18' and probably be happy. If it were me I would use the HC5030 and down size the screen to 16', make sure that the screen was 1.1-1.3 gain, and be as happy as a pig in mud.
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