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Help me go from 5.1 to 7.2 on a budget

My current system is a 5.1 setup as follows:
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I plan to buy the Denon AVRX1400H 7.2 but have some questions.

Most of what I watch is 5.1 so is 7.2 overkill?
Do I just need 2 side speakers and a second sub?
The other 2 go on the left and right of where you sit correct?

Is the second sub really necessary for Atmos?
Any recommendations for affordable speakers or should I buy more Energy ones?




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My current system is a 5.1 setup as follows:
Yamaha receiver RX-V465
Energy 5.1 Take Classic Speakers

TCL Roku 4k TV 55-P605



I plan to buy the Denon AVRX1400H 7.2 but have some questions.

Most of what I watch is 5.1 so is 7.2 overkill?
Do I just need 2 side speakers and a second sub?
The other 2 go on the left and right of where you sit correct?

Is the second sub really necessary for Atmos?
Any recommendations for affordable speakers or should I buy more Energy ones?




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The extra 2 channels are supposed to be rear "surrounds" or either front or rear height if your AVR supports that. Side surrounds are the normal placement for 5.xs setups.

Given your current room layout you might be better off doing 2 atmos channels instead.

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I too also vote for atmos channels instead of extra surrounds.

I think you would get a lot more enjoyment however upgrading your subwoofer. The Energy Take Classic subwoofer is a tiny 8” subwoofer and upgrading to a 12” by HSU or Rythmik would give you a ginormous smile on your face for years to come.
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If you're happy with your Energy speakers then buy two more. But I would recommend buying three new front speakers, left, right and center. something not as small as the Takes that will do a better job of filling up a room.

If you want to stay small go with the NHT Superzero 2.1 and matching super Center. The bookshelf speakers are only 9" tall but sound better than the Takes.

http://www.amazon.com/NHT-SuperZero...JEZ48QXHE182KT

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If you can go full size bookshelf the larger NHT SuperOne is a good choice.
http://www.amazon.com/NHT-SuperOne-...a-490820517519

you can use your Takes as surround speakers and Atmos if you have a way to mount a pair up high.
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When you guys say "2 atmos channels instead" what do you mean? Eliminate the Energy and just do 2 or add them? Sorry for being a total moron here. lol
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adding 2 speakers to your existing setup. in an Atmos setup the additional 2 speakers would be in the ceiling or high on the wall. A good suggestion in your case is to get new front and center speakers and move your current front high on the front or side (preferably side) walls to get the atmosphere effect. Your room is small enough that you should not need a second sub but the square dimensions of the room may affect your acoustical performance and a second sub may even out the bass response in the room. If you don't feel you need second sub then I would not get one.

If you like the Energy speakers then I would check out Monoprice's premium satellite speakers. I don't know if you can buy them singly but they are close enough to the energy speakers that there was some litigation involved forcing Monoprice to make some cosmetic changes. they would be a similar but lower cost option $50/pair. Unfortunately they are currently out of stock.

If you gave the forum an idea of the budget you had in mind you will get some very good recommendations for your upgrade.
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Very simple, folks. This is 2019 - you need to be at 7.2.4. Anything less than that and I'm thinking you still have a HTIB.
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I don't think you need 7.2.4 in a 12 x 12 room.

5.2.4 should do just fine, and maybe one sub so 5.1.4.
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I too also vote for atmos channels instead of extra surrounds.

I think you would get a lot more enjoyment however upgrading your subwoofer. The Energy Take Classic subwoofer is a tiny 8” subwoofer and upgrading to a 12” by HSU or Rythmik would give you a ginormous smile on your face for years to come.
shoot tell me about it. I will second this. I went from this same speaker set to 2 um18-22... watched Venom and didn't want to go to work for the next 3 days.
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adding 2 speakers to your existing setup. in an Atmos setup the additional 2 speakers would be in the ceiling or high on the wall. A good suggestion in your case is to get new front and center speakers and move your current front high on the front or side (preferably side) walls to get the atmosphere effect. Your room is small enough that you should not need a second sub but the square dimensions of the room may affect your acoustical performance and a second sub may even out the bass response in the room. If you don't feel you need second sub then I would not get one.

If you like the Energy speakers then I would check out Monoprice's premium satellite speakers. I don't know if you can buy them singly but they are close enough to the energy speakers that there was some litigation involved forcing Monoprice to make some cosmetic changes. they would be a similar but lower cost option $50/pair. Unfortunately they are currently out of stock.

If you gave the forum an idea of the budget you had in mind you will get some very good recommendations for your upgrade.
Thanks so much - my 2 current rear speakers are as high as possible in this room, so about 7-8 feet. Should I keep those there and the other 2 elsewhere?



I do like the Energy despite many here not. I'd like to stay under 100 per if possible but can do a little more.
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shoot tell me about it. I will second this. I went from this same speaker set to 2 um18-22... watched Venom and didn't want to go to work for the next 3 days.

Man I’m so jealous. My UM18 is sitting in its box right next to 3 sheets of mdf in my room. Neighbor hasn’t had time to help me cut it
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Agree 100% on the upgrade the subwoofer suggestion...fix your weakest link before you expand.

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shoot tell me about it. I will second this. I went from this same speaker set to 2 um18-22... watched Venom and didn't want to go to work for the next 3 days.

Man I’m so jealous. My UM18 is sitting in its box right next to 3 sheets of mdf in my room. Neighbor hasn’t had time to help me cut it [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]
I have a 15" HO driver in a box and 2 micros(in progress) and been watching nothing but movies instead of completing them.

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Agree 100% on the upgrade the subwoofer suggestion...fix your weakest link before you expand.
You're right but the sub will make him want to upgrade more...I don't believe the Takes can keep up. I'd upgrade the sub though first especially after knowing what I know now.
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I have a 15" HO driver in a box and 2 micros(in progress) and been watching nothing but movies instead of completing them.


You're right but the sub will make him want to upgrade more...I don't believe the Takes can keep up. I'd upgrade the sub though first especially after knowing what I know now.
Can you recommend a good low priced sub?
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And I am honestly happy with the Energy including the sub, despite the dislike here....I am not a big audiophile. Regular 5.1 broadcasts sound good to me, as do Blu-rays audio. My main question is where to put the new speakers and if the 2nd sub is overkill in this bedroom.
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And I am honestly happy with the Energy including the sub, despite the dislike here....I am not a big audiophile. Regular 5.1 broadcasts sound good to me, as do Blu-rays audio. My main question is where to put the new speakers and if the 2nd sub is overkill in this bedroom.

It’s not about more output, it’s about better output. In fact it’s likely that a better sub will “sound” quieter than ur current energy because it won’t be clipping and distorting off the charts.
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The change in sub will have you thinking otherwise. The subs recommended earlier to you by other users a good.
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For a bedroom system on a budget


Dayton Audio MK402 4" 2-Way Bookshelf Speaker Pair

Dayton Audio C452-AIR Dual 4-1/2" 2-Way Center Channel Speaker with AMT Tweeter

Around $100 with shipping

If you want to upgrade your sub then I would check this one out, but if you like what you then don't change it:

http://www.accessories4less.com/mak...r-black/1.html

The square dimensions may cause some bass nodes in your room so a second sub may even out your bass response but is not absolutely necessary.

As for speaker placement, I would try to lower the surrounds to about half way up the wall. The fronts should be next to or just under the TV. The other 2 speakers should be high one the side wall near the ceiling slightly in front of the primary listening spot. If that isn't feasible then you can place them above the front LR speakers high on the wall.
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You have all been very helpful and it's appreciated tremendously. Now the final decision - get the Denon and suggested speakers here or go with a Atmos soundbar system - AHHHHHHHHHH
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. Now the final decision - get the denon and suggested speakers
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Another question - you don't have to get Atmos speakers to enjoy that format do you?
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You don't need atoms module (upfiring) speakers but you will need to have 2 speakers in the eight position to enjoy atmos. The height/incieling speakers to be more effective than the up firing modules.
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You don't need atoms module (upfiring) speakers but you will need to have 2 speakers in the eight position to enjoy atmos. The height/incieling speakers to be more effective than the up firing modules.
I plan to get the Daytons (and the center and subs you said) you suggested and go with the "above the front LR speakers high on the wall" you suggested.... Should I use the 2 Daytons as the front LR or as the other 2 above the Energys?And how would I position them, just normal on the wall?
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I would use the Daytons as your fronts and the Entry as the height speakers. Use a wall mount like the one below so you can angle the speakers down towards the listening area.

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Pro...ker+wall+mount
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I would use the Daytons as your fronts and the Entry as the height speakers. Use a wall mount like the one below so you can angle the speakers down towards the listening area.

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How high up?


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I would place the heights close to the ceiling, just low enough that you can adjust the speaker position. I would say place them at the 8 ft height but depending on your ceiling height somewhere between 7 and 9 ft should be fine.
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I would place the heights close to the ceiling, just low enough that you can adjust the speaker position. I would say place them at the 8 ft height but depending on your ceiling height somewhere between 7 and 9 ft should be fine.
I got everything set up and want to thank you! I kept my sub, for now, but that might change - it's not bad surprisingly. The Daytons sound amazing.
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Glad it worked out. I'm actually using an 7" Boston Acoustic sub with my setup and while it has its limitations, it is getting the job done in my room.
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